Can Meteor's next job not be melee?

[Coolyy]

I know way too much about Norse mythology (thanks mimir) and I still don’t see why reaper is well thematically connected to it

Then again I don't think you know that much about Norse Mythology, why do y'all think they chose Reaper over every Job? Have you played Ragnarok by chance?

[Supersnow845]

No I decided to randomly only stop at 2018 and never played ragnarok like a normal person………

Of course I’ve played ragnarok

And right now I’m struggling to come up with a justification why emo farmer matches Norse mythology and not “it’s about the only melee meteor hasn’t been”

[ty_taurus]

Reaper has a strong thematic fit for Evercold. Who cares what these other people say, I am a legitimate Reaper main who knows a lot about Norse Mythology and I can assure you that it's defintely the best thematic option here out of the 21 existing Jobs. You just can't see it yet which is fine and why I told you to read up on Norse Mythology since Yoshida said himself in a Q&A after Fanfest. They also haven't showed much content yet they only showed the Reaper as the WoL, so we don't have full context at all yet. I also reminded you about the 7.5 cutscene where there was two clear intentional moments that had a parallel between Zenos and the WoL despite: When Halmarut compared the WoL to Zenos asking them if they have selfish desires in their journey and when the WoL looked at the Moon the same exact way Zenos did in Trail to the Heavens. What was Zenos' job? Reaper.

It's a much stronger fit than Viper in Dawntrail which is probably the weakest out of any Expansion despite still being the best choice considering the trailer only showcased Tural content and not Alexandria and Viper is this lax

Oh, you play Reaper? Pardon me, I didn’t realize we had a celebrity with a PhD in the chat. My mistake.

[Coolyy]

No I decided to randomly only stop at 2018 and never played ragnarok like a normal person………

Of course I’ve played ragnarok

And right now I’m struggling to come up with a justification why emo farmer matches Norse mythology and not “it’s about the only melee meteor hasn’t been”

I've already explained this multiple times in this thread but I'll do it again I guess since you haven't read them:

First I will have to ask you to look at this for convenience sake: https://imgur.com/a/DCH7aFe

Obviously what I am about to say is all speculation and they will not copy Norse Mythology 1:1, but it's clearly themed around Norse Mythology.

In The Fourth the Sky Islands are supposed to be the Norse Realms. The land we see in the trailer with the Snowstorm is probably the equivalent of Midgard which they had to abandon due to uninhabitable weather, fleeing to the Sky Islands. If all the Nine Realms are explorable it makes sense that we will eventually end up exploring the equivalent of the underworld Helheim, which is the land of the dead that is under the frozen lands that is Midgard. This is probably the early favorite for being the Final Zone in Evercold.

A central theme of Norse Mythology is obviously, Death. You see this in God of War where there are a bunch of dead spirits roaming the various Realms and you typically need to fight or help them. Obviously in FFXIV the Reaper is the Job that is most synonymous with Death besides probably Dark Knight. Obviously Reapers in a general context are supposed to be the arbiter of Death as when you see one you are die. In XIV this isn't 1:1 but the Job quest and Reaper lore does a pretty good job establishing this identity. The villain in the Job questline is pretty insane if you remember him. It's pretty poetic that the finale of the Reaper questline is in Coerthas Western Highlands which is a winter zone with a lot of Death surrounding it. Go replay the Reaper questline before Evercold if you haven't, very good stuff.

Another theme with Norse Mythology is Possession, I shouldn't need to explain this if you have played God of War. Reaper is thematically involved with Possession as letting a Voidsent possess you is the main gameplay of the Job and this is magnified further when Enshrouding. I'm pretty sure at one point Zenos does end up possessing us during In From The Cold and we almost die. Yes I think a Dancer and White Mage would fit this theming so much, wow everyone.

Evercold will probably be a more creepy expansion if they are basing it on Norse Mythology and Reaper fits this horror identity better than most Jobs.

A notable theme with Reaper is that it's this lone wolf of the XIV Jobs. We clearly see this with Zenos in Endwalker as he struggled with his own isolation as he truly believed he had no equal and was superior to everyone besides the WoL. Therefore he ends up hunting the WoL at all costs to fulfill his own selfish desires even if that meant bringing his home, Etheirys, to ruin by working with Fandaniel to render The Final Days upon the Star. Throughout Endwalker he surpasses his humanoid limits and does multiple events that were originally considered impossible like possessing our body to torture us, awakening Zodiark with the intention of being his vessel to defeat us, and following us to the edge of the universe to have his final battle. By all means Zenos surpassed all expectations and was supposed to be XIV's interpretation of a Grim Reaper as an entity who is this personification of Death but in a more PG Final Fantasy manner. They will probably dig much deeper with the Zenos and WoL parallels in Evercold as what I am talking about was directly referenced in 7.5 by Halmarut. I'm assuming a main theme of Evercold is that the WoL will struggle interally with their evil side and more selfish desires which is very fitting of a Reaper. After Dawntrail I believe the WoL wants to enjoy themselves again by any means and is tired of saving the world for the tenth time, which isn't necessarily bad and we'll see how it plays out in Evercold.

Obviously this isn't all that Norse Mythology has, there is a lot of awesome parts which we will experience in the Sky Islands. Expansion is themed a lot on FFXIII which is unsurprisingly a Norse inspired game. Especially since they are covering Fimbulwinter and potentially Ragnarok which are the awful parts of Norse Mythology we shouldn't be surprised if this Expansion is more on the creepy and high stakes side.

If you still can't comprehend everything that's totally fine as they will reveal much more at Berlin and Tokyo obviously. NA Fanfest wasn't heavy on the story at all. But again they picked Reaper as the canonical Job for a multitude of reasons. They weren't throwing darts and it happened to land on Reaper. 7.5 MSQ makes this clear and the Evercold trailer make this clear.

Oh, you play Reaper? Pardon me, I didn’t realize we had a celebrity with a PhD in the chat. My mistake.

Yes it's my favorite Job in XIV just like you how enjoy Sage. Is something wrong with that?

[Supersnow845]

………what?

Your evidence is that the sky islands mentioned in the trailer will be like the Norse realms and Norse mythology has a lot of death?

RPR the job doesn’t even have anything to do with the western centric concept of the grim reaper in its lore and almost every mythology has to do with death, like that’s what religion is; humanity attempting to come to terms with our own mortality.

Like I could make the same argument that this is actually Greek mythology. The realm of the gods atop mt Olympus is often depicted as sitting on top of floating clouds that sit around the mountain- sky islands. There is also a lot of death in Greek mythology, they have their own underworld, we could explore Tartarus because “that’s obviously somewhere we could go”

[Coolyy]

………what?

Your evidence is that the sky islands mentioned in the trailer will be like the Norse realms and Norse mythology has a lot of death?
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It's okay to be illiterate, I doubt you even read my message. I also now don't believe you've played the God of War games or you just rushed through them.

Again they have showed basically nothing outside of the Concept Art and you will probably have this "Eureka" moment during Berlin, Tokyo or when the Expansion finally launches where you realize that your two messages were really dumb in retrospect. They aren't going to spoil the plot for you, but the theming and identity is apparent whether you agree with it or not.

[ty_taurus]

Yes it's my favorite Job in XIV just like you how enjoy Sage. Is something wrong with that?

There’s nothing wrong with it at all. It’s just not really a good justification for why your interpretation of Reaper’s thematic significance is narratively sound over anyone else’s. Again, compare it to Dragoon, Monk, Samurai, Dark Knight, or Paladin… You don’t need to be a Dragoon main and lore head to understand why Dragoon was a meaningful pick for Heavensward.

[Supersnow845]

Jesus ascended to heaven, heaven is depicted as floating islands in the clouds, Christian mythology is full of death and how people handle death, it’s also full of possession including possession of the prophets and the evildoer’s

EVERCOLD IS DANTE’s INFERNO 2.0 LETS GO

[NightHour]

It's confirmed to be a Physical Ranged and a Tank.

We don't need another melee until at least 10.0 in my opinion.

[Valence]

Then should probably understand how Reaper fits into the more creepy/horror aspects of Norse Myth thematically. Scandinavian Lore is notably creepy and weird. I say this as a half-Scandinavian whose European side has made me do some pretty creepy... stuff, so I'm not bullshitting here lol.

As a full European with no American side myself, reading this just made my day.