Can Meteor's next job not be melee?

[ty_taurus]

Completely different game dude, FF Dancer is nothing like that nor does the trailer WoL have that personality he's just a stand-in John Final Fantasy. Obviously that looks awesome, but I also don't think Tekken 8 is doing so hot right now...

If they somehow make it work in the future, that's awesome! Though they haven't done it yet for those exact reasons so I simply haveve no reason to believe they will in Evercold when the WoL was already shown as a Reaper.

The point of a comparison is never 'Look! Let's just literally recreate Eddie in FFXIV!' That's basic common sense. It's about proving that this stupid mentality of 'Ew, the trailer Warrior of Light could never be a disgusting ugly healer, caster, or dancer' is absolutely ridiculous. Your only limitation to making any job look exciting and even strong or masculine is entirely up to the creativity of the animator. Anyone who thinks it can't be done, doesn't make sense, or would look weird is just exposing their own creative ineptitude.

Also, this thread isn't about Evercold. That ship has sailed. It's about saying that it would be nice to consider representing some other roles for a change next time around, since you know, this game is made up of more than just tanks and melee DPS.

[Coolyy]

The point of a comparison is never 'Look! Let's just literally recreate Eddie in FFXIV!' That's basic common sense. It's about proving that this stupid mentality of 'Ew, the trailer Warrior of Light could never be a disgusting ugly healer, caster, or dancer' is absolutely ridiculous. Your only limitation to making any job look exciting and even strong or masculine is entirely up to the creativity of the animator. Anyone who thinks it can't be done, doesn't make sense, or would look weird is just exposing their own creative ineptitude.

Also, this thread isn't about Evercold. That ship has sailed. It's about saying that it would be nice to consider representing some other roles for a change next time around, since you know, this game is made up of more than just tanks and melee DPS.

If it fits the theme of the expansion then absolutely. The reality is the canonical trailer WoL is this 30ish y/o Male and they don't want to advertise him as a goofy Dancer or Pictomancer it's not going to sell money or hype anyone up. That's goofy advertising and I think a lot of XIV players would have issues with that even if YOU like it. I don't think anyone really has an issue with the WoL being Reaper in Everold as it fundamentally fits him and the theme of the expansion. There's a reason why HW, ShB and Evercold WoL interpretations were some of the best received ones, because those Jobs perfectly fit the Expansions theme. You know I actually agree that the WoL could've been a new Physical Ranged or Machinist in Dawntrail but they simply didn't go with that direction. Oh well.

Like I said we have multiple existing Jobs that the trailer WoL could sense as: NIN, MCH, SMN, SCH are the most realistic ones if they give them the correct interpretation like you said. I doubt we are getting a new Melee or Tank for a while unless 9.0 has three jobs so I can see a new job in 9.0 or 10.0 making you happy. However I simply don't see certain jobs like GNB, BRD, DNC, BLM, RDM, PCT, WHM, AST and SGE ever being the canonical job in an Expansion considering the WoL is a 30ish y/o Male and a lot of these jobs are already being occupied by current party members. That's goofy advertising and I think a lot of XIV players would have issues with that even if YOU like it. I don't think anyone really has an issue with the WoL being Reaper fundamentally as it fits the expansion.

I also simply don't want the WoLs job to be decided on before the theme of the expansion and affect how the story is made. If the WoL is a Dancer the story would have to be much more lighthearted and happier than usual to reflect that decision. I don't think anyone wants that in the story right now after Dawntrail.

[Azurarok]

perhaps it would come down to whether YoshiP would cosplay it at a Fanfest or not

would he do BLM?

[ty_taurus]

If it fits the theme of the expansion, absolutely. Like I said we have multiple existing options that the trailer WoL would sense as: NIN, MCH, SMN, RDM SCH, SGE I think most people can see them fitting the WoL in the correct interpretation. I doubt we are getting a new Melee or Tank for a while unless 9.0 has three jobs, so I can see a new job in 9.0 or 10.0 making you happy. However I simply don't see jobs like WHM, AST, BRD, DNC and PCT ever being the canonical job in an Expansion considering the WoL is a 30ish y/o Male. That's goofy advertising and I think a lot of XIV players would have issues with that even if YOU like it. I don't think anyone really has an issue with the WoL being Reaper fundamentally as it fits the expansion.

I also simply don't want the WoLs job to be decided on before the theme of the expansion and affect how the story is made. If the WoL is a Dancer the story would have to be much more lighthearted and happier than usual to reflect that decision. I don't think anyone wants that in the story right now after Dawntrail.

"Goofy" advertising is ridiculous. You're making so many assumptions about the prospect of using any more whimsical jobs that is impossible to follow them all.

No one is saying choose a non-melee job right now and decide 9.0's entire themes around said job. Again, all you're doing is showing your lack of creative sense if all you can see is some goofy looking man in a girly robe doing something silly and nothing else. It's also a huge disrespect to those jobs to say that they can't be serious enough to be used canonically by the hero of the story.

I gave the example before that both Black Mage and White Mage would be fantastic to be showcased together if a future expansion chooses to explore the shard wasted by the Sixth Umbral calamity, similar to how Monk and Samurai were used to represent Stormblood. Because those are the two jobs that caused the Sixth Umbral calamity. You say if the WoL were a Dancer, then the theme of the expansion must be lighthearted, but that's such a shallow interpretation. Again, for people who have some creative sense, there's a lot you could come up with. Consider Octopath Traveler's Primrose, whose theme is revenge of all things.

[Duskane]

I'm sure it just comes down to marketing and what ever fits the expansion.

[Coolyy]

"Goofy" advertising is ridiculous. You're making so many assumptions about the prospect of using any more whimsical jobs that is impossible to follow them all.

No one is saying choose a non-melee job right now and decide 9.0's entire themes around said job. Again, all you're doing is showing your lack of creative sense if all you can see is some goofy looking man in a girly robe doing something silly and nothing else. It's also a huge disrespect to those jobs to say that they can't be serious enough to be used canonically by the hero of the story.

I gave the example before that both Black Mage and White Mage would be fantastic to be showcased together if a future expansion chooses to explore the shard wasted by the Sixth Umbral calamity, similar to how Monk and Samurai were used to represent Stormblood. Because those are the two jobs that caused the Sixth Umbral calamity. You say if the WoL were a Dancer, then the theme of the expansion must be lighthearted, but that's such a shallow interpretation. Again, for people who have some creative sense, there's a lot you could come up with. Consider Octopath Traveler's Primrose, whose theme is revenge of all things.

I think what this ultimately comes down to is that you lack awareness of marketing tactics and also the stories CBU3 are trying to tell. There's a reason why they aren't designing this game around Hardcore raiders, and hey we aren't really complaining about that since we are in the minority right now. Same as why there are numerous reasons as to why they haven't advertised the WoL as a Dancer, White Mage or Pictomancer but you will ignore all of these reasons just because you want to see it which is human nature. Going into NA Fanfest I actually did predict the WoL being a Reaper, but I still wasn't knocking on Yoshida's door begging for the WoL to be a Reaper or any specific Melee or Tank. Instead I let them cook and decide what Job is best for their story and marketing.That's what you should be doing also instead of pushing this narrative like you deserve it or something. You care too much about an issue which is very low on their priority. There are much bigger issues with XIV which they addressed at Fanfest.

The theme of this next saga is The Godless Realms. I really don't think it makes much sense for the WoL to be this whimsical happy job when Shards are literally falling apart and the rejoining is going to happen.

Primrose is awesome, I love her. However again completely a different game with an original story and even that story gets ridiculous in the final act, but hey at least it's so insane that it's almost funny which fits the DNC vibe. Like in the first chapter she... I probably can't even talk about that here but I simply can't see our WoL ever doing those acts. It's a good story though.

[Ankhira]

all you're doing is showing your lack of creative sense if all you can see is some goofy looking man in a girly robe doing something silly and nothing else.

Meteor doesn't even need a robe to be a healer, right? When I played WoW, in the Battle for Azeroth trailer one of the most beautiful cinematics was Anduin using the Light to heal everyone around him. I'm sure some hated it, but you don't need him wearing a robe to be a healer. He can do a lot of cool stuff without being relegated to "Robe wearing healer."

[ForsakenRoe]

Meteor doesn't even need a robe to be a healer, right? When I played WoW, in the Battle for Azeroth trailer one of the most beautiful cinematics was Anduin using the Light to heal everyone around him. I'm sure some hated it, but you don't need him wearing a robe to be a healer. He can do a lot of cool stuff without being relegated to "Robe wearing healer."

Literally does the WOW equivalent of 'Healer LB3 an entire army'. Probably doesn't count though, because he's not a 30 year old (sarcasm). On the flipside, though, you do also have characters like Uther (Holy Paladin) or Khadgar (Arcane? Mage, idk he seems pretty good at all three specs from what I've seen), older characters who are definitely still badass despite the age (or perhaps because of their age?)

On our side, it's not like Healers have to be entirely 'girly' in aesthetic. Like, WHMs don't 'have' to be just twinkly lights, that's just what SE's decided to make them for whatever reason. But equally, they could just as easily be designed to be about the elemental powers of Earth, Wind and Water, as a foil to BLM's Fire/Ice/Lightning. Being able to summon tornadoes, cause flash flooding, and cause the very ground to quake, doesn't sound 'girly' or 'goofy' to me, but it's still within the WHM identity-sphere because of its Conjurer roots. Similarly, I don't think it's fair to say that SCH is 'girly' or 'goofy' just because it summons a Faerie, because that throws out all the Military/Tactical aesthetics, and those aren't exactly gender-specific. AST is fortunetelling, last I checked Fate is an equal-opportunities employer but there's also a Job Quest where an AST stops time, which is a fairly cool looking (gender neutral) level of power to wield in combat. And every notable NPC we've seen that uses SGE (going from memory, that'd be Alphinaud, his dad and the one viera in the Job Quest) are all male? Was there a single female SGE NPC at any point? Heck, it's not entirely SGE, but even Howling Blade is kinda sorta reminiscent of a SGE with his Fin Funnels (since both are inspired by Gundam) and he's male too

Louisoix was 72, Papalymo was 42, all of the Ancients are... Ancient. Or are we going to say that Louisoix looked 'girly' or 'goofy' in the ARR cinematic when he held off Bahamut?

perhaps it would come down to whether YoshiP would cosplay it at a Fanfest or not

would he do BLM?

He already did, at one of the HW ones IIRC

[Coolyy]

I'm sure it just comes down to marketing and what ever fits the expansion.

Exactly this yes. What we as consumers should care about most right now is that XIV succeeds and marketing and thematic fit plays a HUGE part in an Expansion succeeding. I genuinely think the last thing most players wanted to see at NA Fanfest coming off of Dawntrail was the WoL as a Dancer or White Mage but people here don't understand that context nor do they care since humans are selfish by nature. A major complaint with Dawntrail is that Tural and Alexandria thematically didn't fit together in one Expansion, so clearly marketing and thematic fit matters a lot to most players which was made clear.

As consumers we should want this game to succeed and make a lot of money so CBU3 can get a higher budget which allows us to receive more content at a faster pace as consumers paying a $13 monthly sub. It’s in our best interest for SQEX to do well as a company which they haven't been for a while. They need a big win in Evercold and again I really don't think the WoL appearing as a Dancer or White Mage is going to bring that unfortunately.

[Coolyy]

He already did, at one of the HW ones IIRC

Yeah he did it was awesome. Doesn't mean that was the new Job though that's just his favorite Job.

I personally believe that BLM's ship has sailed a long time ago. The last real chance narratively was Shadowbringers but DRK prevailed for obvious reasons. Now I don't see it ever being the WoL Job considering it is Y'shtola's canonical Job. I use this same rationale for multiple other jobs like Alisaie RDM, Krile PCT, Thancred GNB, Alpinaud SGE, Urianger AST. Obviously doesn't mean they aren't possible, just very unlikely at this stage of the game.

Louisoix was 72, Papalymo was 42, all of the Ancients are... Ancient. Or are we going to say that Louisoix looked 'girly' or 'goofy' in the ARR cinematic when he held off Bahamut? IIRC

Oh trust me I wish they made the WHM aesthetic cool and interesting again like ARR, however I simply don't think that is going to happen or is a priority of theirs given Evolved WHM lol.

But in Endwalker Venat/Hydaelyn was rocking the PLD/DNC/WHM combination and it was awesome. So it's very possible they can make these jobs cool again to fit the WoL.