Can Meteor's next job not be melee?

[Asari5]

reaper and the cold... seems fitting to me.

also: at least the german name (i assume its the same in english?) comes from people who would go around to help harvesting stuff in different places...wanderarbeiter in german. a worker wandering around with his scythe to earn money in different places... a wanderer who works often far from home.
the farwanderer?

no clue if that parallel is intended though

[ty_taurus]

PLD for EW was also a very heavy nod to Cecil FF4's transition from a DRK to a PLD, and we knew there was going to be a lot of FF4 reference from the Fanfest reveals, like that the Magus Sisters would be somewhere as a boss



That is very unlikely to ever happen outside of Encyclopedia Eorzea, because it'd require SE to either A: explain the disconnect between WHM being so destructive in the lore and how it was partially responsible for a Calamity (along with BLM), yet we as players get the 'It's focused on Pure Healing (tm)' CureSpamming version of WHM, or B: rewrite the lore of the Calamity to say that 'BLMs kept using stronger and stronger destructive magic, and WHMs kept using stronger and stronger restoration magic to heal through everything the BLMs threw at them', effectively making 'CureSpamming WHM' canon to the lore of the game (and it still wouldn't explain why it was a Water calamity specifically)

I think that's a little too pragmatic. They don't seem to have an issue installing lore or power fantasies that disconnect from active gameplay mechanics no matter how much ludo narrative dissonance it creates. Like how NPC Conjurers are perfectly fine displaying more interesting and aggressive tools than players are allowed to use as what is supposed to be an even stronger version of said class.

reaper and the cold... seems fitting to me.

also: at least the german name (i assume its the same in english?) comes from people who would go around to help harvesting stuff in different places...wanderarbeiter in german. a worker wandering around with his scythe to earn money in different places... a wanderer who works often far from home.
the farwanderer?

no clue if that parallel is intended though

What about reapers are connected to the cold? The fact that it's from Garlemald?

[Asari5]

death... death connects the reaper to the cold. the death reaper harvests your soul. this kind of reaper (symbolising death) is very often connected to the cold.

[ty_taurus]

death... death connects the reaper to the cold. the death reaper harvests your soul. this kind of reaper (symbolising death) is very often connected to the cold.

If you're talking about the concept of like "The cold grasp of death," then wouldn't that be the opposite of what the Warrior of Light should be doing? Shadowbringers was about bringing darkness to light. So if we're trying to bring warmth to cold, that would mean bringing life to death, such as maybe Scholar from a literal healing standpoint, or perhaps Dancer given the job quest's lore.

[VeyaAkemi]

My interpretation of why Reaper is because the nature of Darkness in FFXIV lore, which is the inverse of cold=death, Darkness is characterized by Aetheric activity, while ice is an element that by its nature is very still, so perhaps a well-utilized blast of Darkness is all it takes to disperse a lot of ice. "And why not Black Mage with Fire spells"? idk, but if you want an explanation, perhaps fire is simply inefficient at dispersing ice-aspected aether, fire and ice are mutually weak to each other, while Darkness, being a composite "element" of 3 elements, is greater than any given pure element, and so it does the job better.

[ForsakenRoe]

My interpretation of why Reaper is because the nature of Darkness in FFXIV lore, which is the inverse of cold=death, Darkness is characterized by Aetheric activity, while ice is an element that by its nature is very still, so perhaps a well-utilized blast of Darkness is all it takes to disperse a lot of ice. "And why not Black Mage with Fire spells"? idk, but if you want an explanation, perhaps fire is simply inefficient at dispersing ice-aspected aether, fire and ice are mutually weak to each other, while Darkness, being a composite "element" of 3 elements, is greater than any given pure element, and so it does the job better.

It's more likely an easier explanation to say 'there's not really enough Fire Aether left in that Shard to work with (to enact change on a global level)', or 'Fire Aether is most commonly Astral in nature, which makes it behave too destructively/explosive to utilize without destroying things by accident'

Fire and Ice aren't mutually weak to one another, though. Fire beats Ice, Ice beats Wind, Wind beats Fire (it's why we needed an Ice crystal to get to Garuda in the story, to weaken her wind barrier). So, if we could source a lot of Fire Aether from somewhere, say, a Shard we've never been to which happens to be tilted heavily towards Fire, then perhaps we could do a similar exchange program like we did with 1st and 13th. Or even a three-way exchange where Fire gets pumped into the 4th, the 4th's Ice gets pumped to the Wind-aligned Shard, and the Wind from that Shard back into the Fire-aligned Shard, re-balancing the Aether of all three and bringing them all back to some degree of equilibrium (which then stabilizes them and stops them from being drawn towards the Source to merge)

[Coolyy]

I really doubt that the Reaper WoL in the trailer is this fakeout since Reaper is arguably the most fitting job thematically for Evercold as it revolves around Norse Mythology and Reaper fits well into that lore as it will have more creepy (horror) elements than usual. Some central concepts of Reaper lore are death, possession and hunting which are central themes in Norse Mythology. For example one of my current theories is that the final zone of The Fourth will probably be the Norse Mythology underworld, Helheim. Reaper would make a lot of sense thematically if this is what they are going for. It's also not an original FF job which means they can get more creative with the lore in Evercold.

They will probably dig much deeper with the Zenos and WoL parallels as shown in 7.5 when he was directly referenced by Halmarut. I'm assuming this is going to be a main theme of Evercold where the WoL struggles with the evilness and selfish desires inside of them. After Dawntrail I think the WoL just wants to enjoy himself again and doesn't care about saving the world for the tenth time.

The main rumor I've seen being thrown around is that the Reaper WoL in the trailer is a stand-in for Zero which is pretty ridiculous since she probably won't be in 8.0 if 7.5 MSQ is anything to go off of. I've also seen the evil sundered WoL rumor which is much more realistic and could actually be what they are going for. This would be cool, but then what job is the WoL? It seems like the Physical Ranged is going to be a Crossbow job and the Tank is going to be a Valkyrie job. Both could definitely fit the WoL thematically, but not better than Reaper for Evercold.

Melee and Tank Jobs simply fit the trailer WoL the best and I don't see them changing this up in Evercold at least. I wouldn't want to see a 30ish y/o Male be a White Mage, Dancer or Astrologian as that's just ridiculous I'm sorry. They let you create a character so you can theme your WoL, not the trailer WoL. I agree it's possible in some cases as Red Mage, Summoner and Machinist would've fit him well and still can, but even then there were better options that were Melee and Tank during those expansions. Do you see the problem?

[Canadane]

"Meteor Survivor" has been the fan nickname to the posterboy Midlander for a very long while now.

Derplander dislikes this change.

[ty_taurus]

I really doubt that the Reaper WoL in the trailer is this fakeout since Reaper is arguably the most fitting job thematically for Evercold as it revolves around Norse Mythology and Reaper fits well into that lore as it will have more creepy (horror) elements than usual. Some central concepts of Reaper lore are death, possession and hunting which are central themes in Norse Mythology. For example one of my current theories is that the final zone of The Fourth will probably be the Norse Mythology underworld, Helheim. Reaper would make a lot of sense thematically if this is what they are going for. It's also not an original FF job which means they can get more creative with the lore in Evercold.

The main rumor I've seen being thrown around is that the Reaper WoL in the trailer is a stand-in for Zero which is pretty ridiculous since she probably won't be in 8.0 if 7.5 MSQ is anything to go off of. I've also seen the evil sundered WoL rumor which is much more realistic and could actually be what they are going for. This would be cool, but then what job is the WoL? It seems like the Physical Ranged is going to be a Crossbow job and the Tank is going to be a Valkyrie job. Both could definitely fit the WoL thematically, but not better than Reaper for Evercold.

Melee and Tank Jobs simply fit the trailer WoL the best and I don't see them changing this up in Evercold at least. I wouldn't want to see a 30ish y/o Male be a White Mage, Dancer or Astrologian as that's just ridiculous I'm sorry. They let you create a character so you can theme your WoL, not the trailer WoL. I agree it's possible in some cases as Red Mage, Summoner and Machinist would've fit him well and still can, but even then there were better options that were Melee and Tank during those expansions. Do you see the problem?

Phew, I'm glad our warrior of light isn't being portrayed as some girly male dancer, am I right?

[Coolyy]

Phew, I'm glad our warrior of light isn't being portrayed as some girly male dancer, am I right?

Completely different game dude, FF Dancer is nothing like that nor does the trailer WoL have that personality he's just a stand-in John Final Fantasy. Obviously that looks awesome, but I don't see how this interpretation fits with any Expansion so far including Evercold. I also don't think Tekken 8 is doing so hot right now...

If they make the WoL a Ranged Role something like that in the future, that would be awesome if it's the correct choice and fits the trailer WoL. An example is that Machinist would be an awesome choice for the canon WoL in a FFVII themed expansion, this is a possibility for 9.0 or 10.0. The WoL was an Archer in 1.0, but I'd also argue that Archer perfectly fits this interpretation of the WoL as he was much younger and Archer is the stereotypical adventurer job in RPGs for new players. Right now I have little reason to not want the WoL to be Reaper in Evercold when the WoL was already shown as a Reaper and it fits the theme of the Expansion.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg6yutR3AG0&t=207s

For someone whose signature is "Sage has failed to live up to the fantasy of a sci-fi DPS healer," which I completely agree with btw, I’m just confused why you’re dying on this hill if you care so much about accuracy since every WoL interpretation so far has always been the correct choice for the theme of the expansion. They shouldn't force the WoL to be a certain Role or Job when it doesn't fit him or the theme at all.