A plea for RNG and proc based gameplay

[CVXIV]

A gambler job would go crazy even if that's not specifically what's being requested
I know it was mentioned astrologian was that, but I moreso mean a job using cards and dice to fight

[lolnotacat]

The only way they'll go back to RNG systems is if they cut back the 2m burst window and scripting fights so heavily. Otherwise people will complain that their booms don't line up with the window. Don't get me wrong, I hate the 2m window, but it simplifies everything from a development standpoint and that's been the direction they've been going for years.

[BabyYoda]

one of the game core issues is how weight -less attacks are.. jobs and encounters..

the only job that you feel the weight of its attacks is BLM.. previously WHM too..

melee feels so swimmy and it is one of the reasons why Melee is easier than BLM

[Titania40]

A reminder, in Final Fantasy games the characters/jobs which are heavily RNG dependent are also typically considered some of the worst characters/jobs. which is true even when they have objectively some of the strongest abilities in their respective game. And it's entirely because you the player have little to no control over when and if those abilities ever actually get used. Similarly, characters (such as Gau from FF6) might objectively be some of the strongest characters (with some work), but are typically considered bad because you again have little control over what they actually do.

[CKNovel]

I don't think RNG based jobs are a bad idea, we have 6 melees and only 1 has RNG elements, MNK.
RPR could be a good candidate since it has so little positionals.
DRK could have procs to make the filler more interesting.
Healers could benefit from it as well... What if their dots could proc a cooldown reduction, such as WHM's Assize getting lowered by 5 seconds? It's only my opinion but I believe Healers lacks reactive gameplay, which makes them very boring when the situation is under control.

I've tried WoW and something I like is a proc that would allow to use an Execution type GCD, that Execution would lower by few seconds a 2 min cooldown.
The only request I have is that the procs should be visible on the job gauge, I don't want to have my eyes glued to my hotbar to see which buttons is shining.

[Titania40]

Some RNG is fine, and can keep things interesting. The problem comes when a job's entire identity revolves around pure RNG. Even more if it's a stupidly low probability of procs triggering. It's a difficult balancing act, and IMO bard fails at it. Dancer is fun, but when RNG is against you, there's very little you can do beyond hope for better luck soon.

[Valence]

I don't think RNG based jobs are a bad idea, we have 6 melees and only 1 has RNG elements, MNK.
RPR could be a good candidate since it has so little positionals.
DRK could have procs to make the filler more interesting.
Healers could benefit from it as well... What if their dots could proc a cooldown reduction, such as WHM's Assize getting lowered by 5 seconds? It's only my opinion but I believe Healers lacks reactive gameplay, which makes them very boring when the situation is under control.

I've tried WoW and something I like is a proc that would allow to use an Execution type GCD, that Execution would lower by few seconds a 2 min cooldown.
The only request I have is that the procs should be visible on the job gauge, I don't want to have my eyes glued to my hotbar to see which buttons is shining.

The irony is that DRK used to have Dark Dance in HW that increased parry dramatically and parry procced Dark Passenger (the OG Dark Arts/Flood of shadow I guess but with more technicalities). Obviously this was bad for when the DRK wasn't MT, but well.
WhM Assize recast was lowered by Lilies in SB, but unfortunately this was a failure of a design and lilies weren't rng anyway.

A gambler job would go crazy even if that's not specifically what's being requested
I know it was mentioned astrologian was that, but I moreso mean a job using cards and dice to fight

Not gonna lie, I'd be very intrigued by a super rng/proc ranged physical job based on Setzer.

Especially if it goes beyond just "press what lights up", and actually introduces serious rng management like old MCH ammo or old SB royal road. You get dealt a hand, and if it's a losing hand, you got to do with what you have and make the most out of it. Dream job.

[Valence]

Alright I guess it's time to necro that thread... :c

[Turtledeluxe]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-rework-in-8.0.

this one too

[Hanzz96]

I made a post about this as well.

There are 18 other jobs currently that fo not have procs/rng but they have always been a key factor in bard and dancers identity and redmage as well to an extent.

If what they showed of bard at fanfest is an indication of the final product I am very concerned. We are getting these changes because for better or worse people screamed buzz words like "job identity" and "meta" but making these requested changes should not come at the expense of identity these jobs have had since inception.

Some people find RNG fun! The serotonin when you get a high roll, the decision making of whether to refresh dots early and waste a tick or risk hitting burst shot and getting a refulgent proc that you may then have to override to refresh dots before they fall. The decision on whether to send 2 stacks of PP early with EA coming up for less potency or risk waiting for EA and potentially overcapping with a rep proc.

The joy of rolling high on feathers and the despair you share with your fellow dancer mains when you proc a single feather in 2 whole minutes.

If these changes are indeed about job idenity and not making jobs easier then there is no need to remove RNG that some people love. But if RNG is gone then these changes are indeed about making jobs are braindead for new people and people who don't push a lot of content as possible.