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[Ajisaii]

Ruining all the jobs and then completely abandoning them for one button combo PvP jobs is something I never would have thought of.

I'm just so glad they decided to pull this off after Dawntrail ruined what was once fully complete jobs (dragoon, dark knight ect) making them shallow vessels of their former selves.

"but you can just play the reborn mode!!!" What's the point if you're dealing less damage and in White Mages case you need to stand still to cast abilities instead of being a phys ranged.

At least have the heart to revert the changes Dawntrail did to fun jobs that didn't need to be changed in anyway before you take them out back and send them to the shadow realm.

[Slayer25c]

Lmao that's what u got the combat is better works easier for those who use controller the rebirth mod still there for old jobs

[Miradelle]

I was honestly super hyped, screaming that YoshiP can have my life after all the stuff up until evolved mode dev panel ... and all of my excitement just faded. It's bittersweet how they finally fix everything I could've dreamed of, and then they lobotomize jobs like this.

I'm completely fine with reborn and evo mode existing side by side, even doing same damage, but we all know reborn mode isn't here to last. And even if it was, they removed 2 mins, so it's a hollow shell of its former self. Sure, evo mode might feel good at first, but it lacks any kind of incentive for those of us that want to kinda push ourselves. The lack of any kind of damage buff for dragoon is really depressing, 'cause I'd love to pool up my positionals and jumps, then press stardiver for a 10% dmg buff and just pump all of those and skyhigh jump into it. I'd ideally also have 6 positionals every 30 seconds instead of just 3, and maybe the GCD recast should be 2 sec or less?

At this point just remove the 1 button combo, and make it auto activate on its own when we are in range and with a target. Surely that is a change everyone is fine with, since combos doesnt take any skill, right? it's just a waste of action bar space, right? It's totally not that people messes up their combos, lost GCD time cause brain fried from 2 min overload or doubleweaving or mechanics happening at the same time ...

Just give 2 mins back to reborn mode, except make them personal buffs only.

[Jeeqbit]

My understanding is the new versions are aimed at being 16 buttons, which add job uniqueness and allow for skill expression again like we had in the past, except not clunky this time.

[Ankhira]

My understanding is the new versions are aimed at being 16 buttons, which add job uniqueness and allow for skill expression again like we had in the past, except not clunky this time.

And explain how job expression works for WHM in this case? You don't have to slidecast, you don't have to worry about your lilies all you have to do is heal up after dmg is taken, wow that takes so much skill! If the job changes are there only so every other job except healers can have skill expression then it already failed for me, personally. I'm tired, boss

[Miradelle]

My understanding is the new versions are aimed at being 16 buttons, which add job uniqueness and allow for skill expression again like we had in the past, except not clunky this time.

I feel so unique as a bard no longer being able to dispel debuffs like doom, freeing up a GCD for healers. I'm so glad that the removal of abilities adds job uniqueness.

What even is this argument .. the removal of abilities never adds uniqueness, what adds uniqueness is designing things in a unique way.

An example of job uniqueness is the positionals for dragoon, that is a really cool idea. However skill expression? How is 3 positionals in 30 seconds, with no reason to pool up charges, or gauge on anything to spend them in a smart way to maximize your damage a form of "better skill expression"? There's more skill expression in 2 minutes right now than in evolved mode, not that it's saying much, since FFXIV is notorious for not having much skill expression.

So far, we have nothing to demonstrate skill expression, everyone will be playing the exact same, just as we have before. The only difference this time is that Johnny 2 fingers will be performing about just as well as Dancing Mad Legends, so it's not like you can even feel good about pulling off the rotation perfectly.

I'm praying that this all changes A LOT. They need to add a 10% dmg buff to star diver to incentivize strategically using your abilities instead of just "ehh, I'll press this button when I remember it exists, since I have like 30-60 seconds before I lose a usage."

[Valence]

And explain how job expression works for WHM in this case? You don't have to slidecast, you don't have to worry about your lilies all you have to do is heal up after dmg is taken, wow that takes so much skill! If the job changes are there only so every other job except healers can have skill expression then it already failed for me, personally. I'm tired, boss

Overhealing doesn't seem to fill up gauge for the attack refund on sanctuary. So this right here definitely implies a level of skill expression through optimization to prevent overheals from GCD healing.
Not saying the preview doesn't have other concerns though (namely the recast on sanctuary), which should be something I dare hope they'll fix and smoothen as they continue working on it.

Remains to be seen how much you'll be able to heal though, because let's be honest, if tanks remain like they are and encounters do not change their mentality, it's gonna be rough either way and healers are gonna stay the same glare mages.

[Nadda]

Ruining all the jobs and then completely abandoning them for one button combo PvP jobs is something I never would have thought of.

I'm just so glad they decided to pull this off after Dawntrail ruined what was once fully complete jobs (dragoon, dark knight ect) making them shallow vessels of their former selves.

"but you can just play the reborn mode!!!" What's the point if you're dealing less damage and in White Mages case you need to stand still to cast abilities instead of being a phys ranged.

At least have the heart to revert the changes Dawntrail did to fun jobs that didn't need to be changed in anyway before you take them out back and send them to the shadow realm.

To be fair Dragoon will be just fine, most likely in it reborn mode.

But at least you get like a cool ULT ability. Limited action I think they are calling it.

As a Whitemage you know how long I've wanted to be able to cast that big fuck off barrier they showed in ARR that they showed y'shtola do several times.

Like I'd honestly feel a bit better about Evolved mode for Whitemage if I knew cure 3 and assize were still around, sacrifice Asylum to the elder gods just to make a cool ass barrier that did heavy group mitigation.

The other jobs looked way better.

[Jeeqbit]

And explain how job expression works for WHM in this case? You don't have to slidecast, you don't have to worry about your lilies all you have to do is heal up after dmg is taken, wow that takes so much skill! If the job changes are there only so every other job except healers can have skill expression then it already failed for me, personally. I'm tired, boss

The only skill expression on healers since like Heavensward or Stormblood, has been their healing plan in high-end content ie. which heal for which mechanic. Coordinating with co-healer when to use Seraph, etc.

Now, does the heal coordination still exist on healers in Evolved mode? Probably, but I'm not going to be able to say for sure until we see all the healers and how the 8.0 raids work.

As for their attacks, they showed off that the healer attacks change because they know that spamming the same animation over and over gets samey. Which, is at least better than how we've all been spamming Broil, Glare, Dosis, etc.

Those attacks will probably be on 1 button considering the other jobs are having their combos merged into one button. But that's really just a general thing not restricted to healers.

What even is this argument .. the removal of abilities never adds uniqueness, what adds uniqueness is designing things in a unique way.

You misinterpreted what I put. I wasn't saying that removing abilities adds uniqueness; I was saying that they were removing abilities but making the things they keep be designed in a unique way.

[PaulusHamsteru]

You can't always make everyone happy.