Evolved mode concerns

[Hanzz96]

As a physical ranged main losing buffs has been a blow as I personally found a lot of enjoyment in lining up raid buffs and executing mechanics while bursting in synergy with my party. I understand that many disagree with me and didn't like the 2 minute meta which is your opinion I'm not devaluing it but as a BRD/DNC I am truly mourning buffs.

My concern comes from mostly the BRD build they showed off in the dev panel. Managing dots was a huge part of bard and now it seems to be gone except for applying them for a few ticks after a song. All OGCD's seem to be a proc which takes away any skill at all. Keeping EA on time and being punished if you drifted and lost a use (i.e. a free song proc) was a key skill to mastering bard and its just gone. Poof...hit light up button.

Now for the big one...WHERE THE HELL ARE PROCS! Bard and Dancer were so unique with their RNG aspects and now bard seems to have lost all of it. There's no decision making in whether you risk not refreshing your dots straight away to send a refulgent arrow or hit iron jaws and maybe override the proc. There's no having 2 pp procs and having EA coming up and deciding on if you spend 2 stacks for less potency or use EA for a 3rd and risk overcapping. The RNG was FUN and it made bard well bard.

There were like 19 other jobs that didn't have RNG and now Bard has lost something that made it special and I doubt Dancer will retain its procs once all is said and done.

I'm going to miss watching my song timers, while watching my dots and spinning all the plates that current bard has.

Overall I'm happy for all the people who love the look of evo mode but personally I'm kinda shattered at the direction the game is going. I don't like action RPG's. I don't play them. I don't like FF16 combat and thats what this is.

Before anyone says "you can still play reborn mode" the devs have said evo mode will be "slightly stronger" and given that in 7.0 apparently PCT was only "slightly" overtunned I don't believe them. There will be an evo meta for high end content in PF and reborn will be locked out. Mark my words. Also new jobs won't have reborn so its obvious that if 8.0 is a success this legacy mode will be phased out.

Also the move to having a top tank and a cuck tank is kinda weird and will make PF fill much slower.

Once again before anyone gets their pitch forks this is just my opinion and initial feelings. I am going to be miss what we have a lot and think evo mode is indeed an easy mode dispite what the devs say, heck the word easy was thrown around like 5 times in the presentation.

I have done savage, ultimate, normal, alliance, chaotic but feel like I can't follow the game into 8.0 with what we have seen. If I wanted to play dragon age veilgaurd archer I'd play that game. But I don't.

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[Aco505]

Agreed. Going for a bolder design is good (even though I believe that they should've gone further since they're experimenting) but leaving out key core features of jobs such as random procs on BRD is a mistake. It should be part of the Evolved mode.

[Lasteemo]

Jobs truly looks easier (hopefully we're mistaken) and I'm quite concerned about the PF thing between MT and OT as well. But I'm grateful they will get rid of procs, and about songs: I know the feeling of align everything perfectly, but song flexibility sounds better imo.

[Hanzz96]

Jobs truly looks easier (hopefully we're mistaken) and I'm quite concerned about the PF thing between MT and OT as well. But I'm grateful they will get rid of procs, and about songs: I know the feeling of align everything perfectly, but song flexibility sounds better imo.

There were 19 other jobs that didn't have RNG procs just let people who enjoyed them have those 2 jobs. Thats all I ask.

[StarryVera]

Completely agree. BRD in the state they showed is just current SMN with less flair and a small amount more support. The 2 min meta was stale and not good for the game, but it honestly would be better than what they showed off if jobs are going to be boiled down to just "do a 1min rotation" every time. The amount of buttons they cut down to is also just, too small. Unless Minne is tied into Troubadour now (which I expect is the case) they are just taking away some of BRDs actual supporting capabilities. Healers already don't have trouble healing and it seems like they still wont in 8.0, what exactly is the reason for the mit to ALSO increase healing? Here's hoping there will be options to spread some of these things out instead of just outright removing things and haphazardly adding them to other things.

[Hanzz96]

Completely agree. BRD in the state they showed is just current SMN with less flair and a small amount more support. The 2 min meta was stale and not good for the game, but it honestly would be better than what they showed off if jobs are going to be boiled down to just "do a 1min rotation" every time. The amount of buttons they cut down to is also just, too small. Unless Minne is tied into Troubadour now (which I expect is the case) they are just taking away some of BRDs actual supporting capabilities. Healers already don't have trouble healing and it seems like they still wont in 8.0, what exactly is the reason for the mit to ALSO increase healing? Here's hoping there will be options to spread some of these things out instead of just outright removing things and haphazardly adding them to other things.

This is exactly what I said! The BRD they showed off is just current SMN. Use song = get lego = big attack by spending lego. 1 min rinse and repeat.

The song "utility" also screams smn where in phoenix they get a regen or whatever but it means nothing because it needs to be used as part of the rotation and never lines up with damage. Its just there.

Last time SE talked about "job identity" (a buzz word imo) they wanted SMN to summon and not be a dot mage and it looks like we're going down new SMN road with evo jobs.

[Turtledeluxe]

Meta synpathizers. No thanks. Sorry for your loss. Full steam.ahead into the brave new world.

[Hanzz96]

Meta synpathizers. No thanks. Sorry for your loss. Full steam.ahead into the brave new world.

Please actually read the posts and the valid concerns before screaming "meta sympathisers"

There are issues that need to be addressed and its important that they are brought up and addressed. I'm not saying to keep the 2 minute meta even though I like jobs right now and I'm sad to see them go. I understand that times change and so must the game, however the implementation of this change needs to be handled carefully and jobs shouldn't lose what already made them special.

If you want this to succeed and not be rolled back in 9.0 you need to not take any critisism as sympathising with the meta and understand that feedback is valuable and necessary

[Hanzz96]

Meta synpathizers. No thanks. Sorry for your loss. Full steam.ahead into the brave new world.

Also did you actually play content with the "meta" or did you log in for roulettes?

[Turtledeluxe]

Also did you actually play content with the "meta" or did you log in for roulettes?

A very limited amount but yes, not that I see that as relevant because as explained in their own presentation, the meta affected the entire game on a fundamental level. So when I say meta I mean it moreso as a general state of paralysis. I believe they referred to it as a cycle.

And I am not hating on the thread, I am reacting to the "meta wasn't so bad". Its not invalid but dang the paint has not even dried yet.