About that Whitemage Evolved mode? (Concerned about Reborn mode)

[Nadda]

This isn't a complaint or anything but I have some concerns as a life long Whitemage main.

Because for example they say "Reborn mode will be your job as you knew it"

But I'm finding that hard to believe.

This Evolved mode they showcased I have noticed.

Either (a) consolidates buttons and limits redundancies (Especially prevelant with the Paladin Show case)

Or (b) adds entirely new unique abilities for Job Fantasy. (Especially prevalant with Dragoon)

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Okay! BUT

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I noticed a lot of Whitemages Afflatus abilities are now just gone, not consolidated.
Are we returning to a Stormblood system? Where I gcd heal generates lilies, and I use this new two-charge nuke thing? (I mean I liked Stormblood Whm, but I also had Aero 3)

I cannot tell if "High Cure" for example, is a combination of Cure 2 and Cure 3?

Cure 3 is a very valuable healing spell for me as a Whitemage for split room mechanics, where either the healers are dead on the other side or we're both on the same side, but the dps are on another.

Because Cure 3 makes the target the epicenter of the AoE.

I also noticed that my Assize is missing and that is a major issue too, because it's a powerful aoe ability that heals my group and gives me back mana. Unless in Evolved Mode that is consolidated in Holy? Maybe?

I don't have Asylum either. Where did that go? There's consolidated Medica it seems.
OR REGEN for that matter? Is that attached to a new ability? I don't know. If I work my way backwards from Evolved mode (If this is consolodated) where is it?

I know that they combined Aquaveil and divine benison in this mode. But that seemed to be the only consolidated ability they gave me.

PoM (Presence of Mind) is gone I assume because they made all attacks instant? Does this mean Glare 4 is gone? You just gave me a powerful aoe ability and now it's just gone? Or does this new evolved mode make all my abilities aoe?

I can't really tell because the devs show case was basically 30 seconds long and like this will make things easier - so it's all okay! Like wtf is that? I noticed Aero was missing but lets be real these devs HATE dots.


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People have tried to console me that everything will be fine in Reborn Mode.

BUT THE ISSUE with that is. Evolved is supposed to consolidate and limited redundancies and add job fantasy.

Well.

My Whitemages abilities weren't all consolidated.
My Whitemages abilities weren't all limit redunancies. (Infact no limited redundancies at all)
My Whitemages abilities weren't all adding to job fantasy.

I mean like I've seen y'shotola and the lalafell in the ARR trailer use some sort of Barrier technique, You mean to tell me Dragoon just gets to have it's cool jump ability where it can go with 90% damage reduction and somehow still die, but I don't even get like a cool barrier move?

Wouldn't it be like BIG Job fantasy if for like a Big Raidwide I could Pop a Small circle Barrier thing and mitigate a lot of damage? I don't see why Dragoon get's like an Ult - and I don't get one.

Paladin abilities being easier to use makes sense less redundant and Dragoon got a cool new ability but like Whitemage - Make the "Easiest" job even "Easier" WHY? that doesn't make sense.


And like there are so few of my abilities actually being around, I'm afraid Reborn Mode will not actually be what I know.


If it's also that every other healing Job gets identity and better options while I get screwed over just because Whitemage is the "First healing job" that's bullshit. They didn't do that for Paladin that's one of the first tanks, sure it's easier, but there was deliberate FORETHOUGHT and the abilities Paladin had it got to keep.


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I know people will laugh because "Haha Glare Mage" but like... My healing abilities have utility that I use dynamically and they weren't consolidated; they were cut.
If Reborn mode is pruned then there be no point.

So I'm not okay with this until I see what Reborn mode looks like - because it seems like my Job actually got HEAVILY pruned if you logically move each Evolved ability back to their unconsolidated state. Unless I'm completely wrong.

This Evolved mode will just automatically do more damage and healing than I could, period? So like I'm griefing my group if I don't use it? Because if we need more damage I'm gonna need to use that. So I'm very concerned. The spent like 30 seconds on my job I've played for 10+ years and just moved on.

[Daudream]

Based on what was shown before they started playing, the reborn mode will have the same hotbars as we currently have in DT, the tweaks done to it might only be linked to removing the two minute meta(?) of course they could change anything they want before launch regardless as it's still early... Though honestly? the showcase for WHM was extremely bad, like I can point out issues, worries and complaints for the other three jobs shown as well, but WHM had me roll my eyes at every word and just be unimpressed at what was shown.

"We've made it simpler!" is not a win or a gain or something that would hype me up or make me cheer, it's shit.

I will say however, do not think the other healers will be better off, this team have done nothing but fumble the healing role for years now, I know for a fact that AST will have some shallow card "system" slapped on with them going on about how much "freedom" and "creativity" it offers... and if every healer get instant cast attacks then evolved is dead on arrival for me, they are healers yes, but they are also casters and I play casters to cast. Whitemage.

[SweetPete]

I know it’s hard but I say try not to panic. These builds were extremely early builds and allot can change from now to January. Just be a little patient.

The Afflatus skills are still there. They are locked behind Plenary now. Press plenary then hi-cure changes to solace and medica changes to rapture. This the what I saw.

No I didn't see assize or asylum so for that build it was gone. However it was a very early build. Things can change.

Also, with evolved jobs I believe they are playing to each jobs core individuality’s niche. Whm has always been a super easy healer that specializes in GCD healing. They saw whms hate to gcd heal so now ya getting rewarded with damage for gcd healing.

They streamlined whm more because it is known to be the easy healer and they want new players if they wanna heal to look at whm first. That’s its niche.

Try not to worry and panic and just wait until media tour information comes out.

Stay safe cher!

[Daralii]

I know it’s hard but I say try not to panic. These builds were extremely early builds and allot can change from now to January. Just be a little patient.

The Afflatus skills are still there. They are locked behind Plenary now. Press plenary then hi-cure changes to solace and medica changes to rapture. This the what I saw.

No I didn't see assize or asylum so for that build it was gone. However it was a very early build. Things can change.

Also, with evolved jobs I believe they are playing to each jobs core individuality’s niche. Whm has always been a super easy healer that specializes in GCD healing. They saw whms hate to gcd heal so now ya getting rewarded with damage for gcd healing.

They streamlined whm more because it is known to be the easy healer and they want new players if they wanna heal to look at whm first. That’s its niche.

Try not to worry and panic and just wait until media tour information comes out.

Stay safe cher!

People should be as vocal as possible now, when things are in flux, not after they're set in stone until at least 8.1. They have made it abundantly clear that they don't deserve blind faith, especially when it comes to healers.

[Nadda]

I know it’s hard but I say try not to panic. These builds were extremely early builds and allot can change from now to January. Just be a little patient.

The Afflatus skills are still there. They are locked behind Plenary now. Press plenary then hi-cure changes to solace and medica changes to rapture. This the what I saw.

No I didn't see assize or asylum so for that build it was gone. However it was a very early build. Things can change.

Also, with evolved jobs I believe they are playing to each jobs core individuality’s niche. Whm has always been a super easy healer that specializes in GCD healing. They saw whms hate to gcd heal so now ya getting rewarded with damage for gcd healing.

They streamlined whm more because it is known to be the easy healer and they want new players if they wanna heal to look at whm first. That’s its niche.

Try not to worry and panic and just wait until media tour information comes out.

Stay safe cher!

I'm gonna try and stay positive, I'm not dooming. I'm just concerned.

Like Whitemage is already easy to grasp. I don't want to hear that Whitemage is the first healer and thus we need to make it overly simple. We don't do that with any other job. Nobody plays Warrior or Paladin and needs things dumbed down for them.

Nobody playing Black Mage, Bard or Monk need their jobs simplified to do damage.

So the whole first healer thing just feels like complete nonsense to me at this point. No other role or job is treated this way.

And I'm fine with not having a complex dps rotation, but for one thing I like being able to AoE mobs down in dungeons. Glare 4 was a good addition after losing Aero 3.
I'm fine with my dps being simple. But I like Whitemage because I have so many healing options I can use for every situation.

But I like I can rapture on the move, yes it costs a GCD, but it's instant! That's attached to plenary? So I got a 10 second window to use rapture or solace or misery? There are a lot of times I don't have the time to use Cure 3 or medica. And Thin air + Swift + Res... is something only a Whitemage can do.

I like that Cure 3 is an aoe heal that's based on a target epicenter of an individual. I like I can plonk Asylum anywhere. There are situations where as a whitemage I'm not next to the group I want to be able to heal them.
I've saved SO many groups SO many people say "I don't know how we survived that" I wear those moments with pride because - yeah, that was me. I did that.

You are right about one thing. It's an early build so things are open to change. When I get to see more it'll be easier to figure out where things lay.

Again I'm optimistic but I have a lot of questions.