For Shame, Mr. Yoshida - Being a Healer in 2026

[Uzephi]

There is content in this game where healers worry about piety. There are piety sets made for ultimate prog for example and they are definitely needed at first.

Some healers struggled in FRU because they were using parsing bis which used a crafted ring to avoid piety and they and the party were melting.

The content is there, its just not the content you want to do.

Eh still piety is just a deadweight stat. Look at all the fru bis sheets.

FOr Sge https://xivgear.app/?page=sl|326bbcc...7-c608eeba192e

For Sch https://xivgear.app/?page=sl%7c6bb5f...0-9b50b80e900e

For Whm oh look https://xivgear.app/?page=sl|b170c30...7-fc87ec0195d8

Piety stat gain is the 3rd worst of all the stat for such a measly gain of 1 extra mp per 18/19 piety on materia.

Piety since the start of Shb has been a dead stat. Before that time, piety was actually needed. (It also used to increase total MP it was common to see healers with over 12k MP) Any competent healer will get by with passive piety nowadays. If you're having issues, that's skill based issues. Learn your kit. A healer should really never run out of mana no matter the piety given our current toolkit... Unless you're cure III spamming or picking up a plethora of bodies off the floor...

[Kohashi]

Its not about managing your mits. Look at P1 FRU for example with the NA FRU mit but good plan WAR simply doesn't have enough mit to survive the second powder mark trail without buddy mit from a co-tank because thrill does not equal camouflage or oblation.

I always babysit WAR players in FRU with aqua veil + divine benison, or they have a high chance of melting even with shared mit from co-tank. I've seen it happen a lot of times..lol.

There is content in this game where healers worry about piety. There are piety sets made for ultimate prog for example and they are definitely needed at first.

Some healers struggled in FRU because they were using parsing bis which used a crafted ring to avoid piety and they and the party were melting.

The content is there, its just not the content you want to do.

There is a very good reason why the crafted entry-level gear is so loaded with piety. It's because it's much more beneficial to run it during progs. I remember in FRU I had to switch around the healing plan to have Planetary Indulgence available to spam Medica 1 during Burnished Glory 2 because I could not keep up spamming Cure III, especially if people are late with mit, that bleed becomes absolutely brutal, doing 60-70% HP/ tick, which happens.. a LOT.

Over healing in a time long lost in xiv actually was detrimental and could lead to mana issues. You bringing up OH of 50% is "just how WHM works" is proof enough this development team has zero idea how to make efficient healers. Did you explain why assize is used on CD? Oh, right, because we aren't healers, just support DPS.

Yeah, it's how it works, because aside from Asize you also have to manage your lillies not overcapping, which also goes in OH if people are not missing a lot of HP.
Also, OH can happen for various reasons. Like I apply Medica 2/3 to regen because it's enough downtime and I need to preserve lillies for the next set of incoming dmg, and the co-healer panics and uses an instant heal. Of course, the remaining of my Medica 2/3 will go into OH.
Again, OH is the last metric you want to look at. Unless the healer is a heal bot, you should not even take it into account.

[Kohashi]

I would love to hear from yoshi p now considering this this say this all the way back in stormblood. Souce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5la_nyC5BO0
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Healers not expected to deal damage has not been a thing for a long time, it's pointless to even mention it. Healers are very much expected to deal dmg. Not long ago I had to switch from AST to WHM while doing E12s because we kept enraging at 0.1% in Phase 1..LOL.

Now I am doing P4s, and we struggle with Enrage because the fight is really tight on dps while doing it MINE.

[Maltothoris]

Please understand I thought his statement was just an example being utterly clueless and idiotic of the healer situation. I was there when gordias savage destroyed the raid scene with how tune those fights and those fights put what you're doing to shame. He also made this statement after that as well. Maybe they have finally realized that they can't design fights that are heal checks ala Anub'arak from WotLK. I only bring that statement is because yoshi-p tries to bring it up every time that he could.

[ForsakenRoe]

Its not about managing your mits. Look at P1 FRU for example with the NA FRU mit but good plan WAR simply doesn't have enough mit to survive the second powder mark trail without buddy mit from a co-tank because thrill does not equal camouflage or oblation.

WAR is great in aoe but has a single target trade off and what you are suggesting will upset the mit balance of tanks. If they delete short cooldowns and self sustain tomorrow high end content becomes an issue. You need short cooldowns and self heals so the healers can pump enough dps to meet the check.

How would you have self sustain lowered in dungeons without taking away from the needed mit for high end?

By changing the SelfHeals (Equilibrium, Bloodwhetting, Shake's heal+HOT) into Self-Barriers of equal potency. Now as a WAR, instead of a 1200p Heal (plus 1000p of HOT) on a 60s CD with Equilibrium, you have a 1200p Barrier (with 5 Haima-style stacks of 200p Barrier) on a 60s CD. Damnation's HOT becomes 5 stacks of Barrier. Shake's Barrier is stronger (because the Heal is converted into a Barrier), and its HOT instead acts like Panhaima, so it still helps against DOTs/multihits. Bloodwhetting's heal (now a Barrier) would be strengthened per enemy hit, and wouldn't be limited to your HP bar's length, so instead of 'fully heal your 280k HP back per GCD', it'd become more like... 'give yourself a 400k Barrier per GCD'. In Single Target, BW would provide 1600p total Barrier (400p on use, 400p per GCD), compared to the current BW where some of the potency might be lost to Overheal. Far more thematic to the WAR Identity IMO, to change from 'you are so angry you heal yourself by hitting the enemy', to 'you are so angry you do not feel the pain (and therefore take less, or even zero, damage)'

Addresses both the issue of 'Healers don't get to heal', AND it gives you more tools to reduce damage with. And no, it's not a nerf, the potencies would be 1:1. 'Job effectiveness varies based on player skill level' and all that. If anything, in the hands of a skilled player, it's a sizeable buff, considering that WAR mits apparently struggle compared to other Tanks in the highest-end content

I honestly still fail to see how something like Bloodwhetting being nerfed to only heal you per weaponskill use rather than per enemy hit would suddenly make WAR bad and unusable in savage.

If it were a Barrier instead of a Heal (as per above), it'd be fine to stay as 'per enemy'. Barriers have a Duration, HP doesn't

[HyperiusUltima]

If it were a Barrier instead of a Heal (as per above), it'd be fine to stay as 'per enemy'. Barriers have a Duration, HP doesn't

As much as I like the idea thematically and also just in general, I think this replaces the current problem with a new problem if we're taking Bloodwhetting into mind, since instead of taking away healer agency, you're just outright ignoring it altogether. For example, go look at Guardian, PLD's current 40%. That ability alone is enough to raise questions as to why they added something like that, even for raid content, to deal with damage. We have to remember that mitigation is king in XIV, and shields are essentially eHP on a timer if you think about it.

If a boss does 400k and you have a massive 200k shield, not to mention that the damage formula and decaying returns of stacked mitigation applying(First Feint/Addle/Reprisal for Final Damage, then stacked mitigation, then Shield Subtraction for actual damage) make this relatively a different issue altogether to the point that WAR would be even stronger than before, even by Tank standards. The potencies more than likely would have to go down to actually balance it, but depending on how it is I can still see WAR outperforming every tank when it comes to dungeon pulling that way, and especially in high-end.

[PyurBlue]

And to healers who complain that their whole role is invalidated by tanks’ abilities, I say: go help out some less experienced players. Your services will still be needed whenever people aren’t turning in excellent play.

If there were an easy way to do this I'd seriously consider it. Having to go to such lengths just to play your class is bad design though, even in casual content. The divide isn't centered on the line between excellent and average either. It's between playing the game semi-regularly and playing only on major patch days. Tanks barely even have to put in effort to take over the healing role and even when they're subpar the healer has excess in many forms - Kardia, Fairy - Lillies, Assize, Stars for damage healing as a side effect.

[Valence]

What I'm saying is the game doesn't need to change its design philosophy of every job is a dps to suit you because those games exist elsewhere. Its beyond entitled.

Actual question born out of curiosity: when did you start playing XIV?

As a tank main. What I am saying is that tanks should not lose their self sustain or have it lowered because its completely unfair when we die to tank busters because a healer don't got it.

Alright then let me ask this in turn: how is this fair when the party wipes to an enrage because someone else in the party didn't dps well enough? Should we give an auto rotation so that everybody deals the correct amount of damage output?
And then, because wipes still exist when someone fails a mechanic and wipes the whole raid, that's so unfair too right?

Perhaps we should play solo actually, why are we bothering with team games? Why are we doing this to ourselves?

I think your actual problem isn't about the legendary mystical curebot, but accepting that other players will do mistakes.

Because its NORMAL CONTENT. If you want to heal more do harder content. You are literally talking about content that is designed for anyone to do so of course tanks have high sustainability to make up for the healer who is watching netflix on the side and not hitting buttons

How about we give tank mastery and aggro tools to healers then? Or even DPS jobs? You'll still have a higher defense stat that will make you needed in "harder content", but you won't have any right to complain in NORMAL CONTENT when you get replaced by other roles and made an afterthought, because if you wanted to actually be useful, you could just do "harder content".

[Uzephi]

Yeah, it's how it works, because aside from Asize you also have to manage your lillies not overcapping, which also goes in OH if people are not missing a lot of HP.
Also, OH can happen for various reasons. Like I apply Medica 2/3 to regen because it's enough downtime and I need to preserve lillies for the next set of incoming dmg, and the co-healer panics and uses an instant heal. Of course, the remaining of my Medica 2/3 will go into OH.
Again, OH is the last metric you want to look at. Unless the healer is a heal bot, you should not even take it into account.

8mil overheal in a single fight... And yet people wonder why healers want things fixed. Splash over from hots or coheal sniping shouldn't amount to over healing the health of a player 24x, and making sure you don't 'overcap' because there isn't enough damage to justify the throughput they give us.

[Ser_Arven]

Actual question born out of curiosity: when did you start playing XIV?



Alright then let me ask this in turn: how is this fair when the party wipes to an enrage because someone else in the party didn't dps well enough? Should we give an auto rotation so that everybody deals the correct amount of damage output?
And then, because wipes still exist when someone fails a mechanic and wipes the whole raid, that's so unfair too right?

Perhaps we should play solo actually, why are we bothering with team games? Why are we doing this to ourselves?

I think your actual problem isn't about the legendary mystical curebot, but accepting that other players will do mistakes.



How about we give tank mastery and aggro tools to healers then? Or even DPS jobs? You'll still have a higher defense stat that will make you needed in "harder content", but you won't have any right to complain in NORMAL CONTENT when you get replaced by other roles and made an afterthought, because if you wanted to actually be useful, you could just do "harder content".

Yes FF14 should have an auto or one button rotation option like WoW. Make it do less dps overall but compensate for extreme non button pushing in group content

Also I couldn't care less if I'm useful in normal content, roulettes are FF14 jury duty for tomes. If i want to be engaged I fo something harder.