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  1. #1
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    DiaDeem's Avatar
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    Vivian Rysto
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    For Shame, Mr. Yoshida - Being a Healer in 2026

    I got this today as a Scholar, from a Warrior.



    So I stopped healing the dude, and you know what happened??? Nothing. He shielded and healed the party and himself, and was able to do it comfortably for the rest of the entire dungeon. What the flipping FUDGE am I even doing at this point?? What is this game anymore??

    I always try to remain positive, and don't usually let things bother me too much in the game. I'm not even upset with the player, nor do I think the interaction was toxic. It was just a reminder of the actual state of the game and jobs right now.

    I doubt Yoshida san will ever see this, but just in case:

    吉田様

    Google翻訳を使って投稿しているため、文章が完璧でない箇所があるかもしれませんが、ご容赦ください。12年以上このゲームを楽しんできただけに、今日は大変残念な気持ちで投稿させていただきます。しかし、パーティー構成上、もはやヒーラーとしての役割が不要になったという単純な理由で、ヒーラーとしての役割を果たさなくていいと言われたとき、黙っていることはできませんでした。

    本日、学者として「ストレイボロー・デッドウォーク」をプレイしていた際、私の担当の戦士から直接「ヒーラーは必要ない」と言われました。

    そこで、言われた通りに行動しました。結果は分かっていましたが、相手の言う通りでした。ヒーラーは必要ありませんでした。実際、何もせずにダンジョンをクリアすることができました。妖精を呼び戻すことさえできたし、ダメージで死ぬ者もいなかった。ましてや、自分やパーティメンバーを回復させ、全員にシールドを張れるほど強力になった戦士でさえも。つまり、私はヒーラーとして全く役に立たないということだ。

    この問題をこれほど長い間放置し、ここまで悪化させてしまったことに、私は非常に悲しく思っています。心から悲しい気持ちで言わざるを得ません。ヨシディアさん、恥を知りなさい。
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    Last edited by DiaDeem; 03-14-2026 at 11:38 AM.

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    Hyperia's Avatar
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    Aileen Pureheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    I got this today as a Scholar, from a Warrior.



    So I stopped healing the dude, and you know what happened??? Nothing. He shielded and healed the party and himself, and was able to do it comfortably for the rest of the entire dungeon. What the flipping FUDGE am I even doing at this point?? What is this game anymore?? I'm gonna just say it: I f*cking HATE Warrior.

    I doubt Yoshida san will ever see this, but just in case:

    吉田様

    Google翻訳を使って投稿しているため、文章が完璧でない箇所があるかもしれませんが、ご容赦ください。12年以上このゲームを楽しんできただけに、今日は大変残念な気持ちで投稿させていただきます。しかし、パーティー構成上、もはやヒーラーとしての役割が不要になったという単純な理由で、ヒーラーとしての役割を果たさなくていいと言われたとき、黙っていることはできませんでした。

    本日、学者として「ストレイボロー・デッドウォーク」をプレイしていた際、私の担当の戦士から直接「ヒーラーは必要ない」と言われました。

    そこで、言われた通りに行動しました。結果は分かっていましたが、相手の言う通りでした。ヒーラーは必要ありませんでした。実際、何もせずにダンジョンをクリアすることができました。妖精を呼び戻すことさえできたし、ダメージで死ぬ者もいなかった。ましてや、自分やパーティメンバーを回復させ、全員にシールドを張れるほど強力になった戦士でさえも。つまり、私はヒーラーとして全く役に立たないということだ。

    この問題をこれほど長い間放置し、ここまで悪化させてしまったことに、私は非常に悲しく思っています。心から悲しい気持ちで言わざるを得ません。ヨシディアさん、恥を知りなさい。
    I have been playing as long as you have and I have also watched our healing jobs given to all the other jobs as self sustain along with our buffs. Most of the time, all I get to do is dps and only heal if somebody made a really big mistake.

    Dangit Jim, I’m a healer, not a dps.

    What I want is self sustains to be disabled in 4+ player content and only be able to use their heals and buffs solo or small party. Continuous damage on tanks with random crits and tank busters, random secondary attacks on non-tanks, along with unavoidable aoe damage on the group.

    I don’t want to dps, I’m a healer, I enjoy healing, I don’t want to be anything else.

    Let the healers be healers and give us the mitigation, dps, haste, etc buffs so we don’t have to do as much dps. Go watch any modern fantasy anime and you will see how that works.
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    Pretty common. If the dungeon is level 90 or above, I don't think any tank really needs a healer, except possibly in Vanguard. And currently Warrior can get away with most of them even with the Raw Intuition and Thrill and Equilibrium version of their heals, while PLD can technically just Clemency through most things.

    In Shadowbringers, I didn't even need a healer in level 80 dungeons as a DRK.

    I often wonder why healers even use heals on me when tanking. I've been healing a few dungeons lately for the relics. Today, for example, I had my entire healing kit and most of what I used on the DRK was a pointless pre-shield and a gentle Whispering Dawn. Half the time the SMN put a regen on them as well so I didn't need to bother.
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    I’m sorry, but as someone who tanks on Warrior (but also frequently heals) this brings a grin to my face. Normal difficulty content can be handled even when one party member is incompetent or dead, so long as everyone else knows what they’re doing. It has to be, or else casual players wouldn’t be able to reliably clear it. I never tell my healers this when I’m tanking because I don’t want to hurt their feelings, but I am endeavoring to use my job abilities as best I can to make their presence redundant.

    But to take this in the other direction, as I mentioned I also heal pretty frequently (on Sage) and I have been in dungeon parties where the tank has disconnected. If they take too long to come back, I absolutely will heal the DPS through mob packs and some boss fights without a tank. Should the tank feel useless because we could clear the dungeon without them? No, that’s just the way dungeons are designed: with enough slack that any player can be missing or incompetent and the party can still clear. If everyone is good at their jobs, that just gives you a safety margin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraceHorizon View Post
    Normal difficulty content can be handled even when one party member is incompetent or dead, so long as everyone else knows what they’re doing. It has to be, or else casual players wouldn’t be able to reliably clear it.
    Dungeons used to be clearable as long as 1 person knew what they were doing. And that was long before they made healers useless, long before they made tanks overpowered, and long before they had all these telegraph indicators.

    The difference is that it was struggle to get that clear, so getting the clear felt good and felt earned, and fun. While not always the case, sometimes the person who knew what they were doing didn't carry in silence but rather explained how to do a mechanic. The result a clear that was a team effort.

    Now, if only 1 person knows what they are doing, the victory doesn't usually feel earned. It feels like it was just handed to everyone by design, and was virtually guaranteed by design, because almost every job can effectively carry a dungeon by actual design, usually no interaction needed whatsoever.

    People never used to struggle to get through these dungeons, even in Heavensward, when things often hit like a truck, healers had much fewer ability heals and tanks didn't necessarily have a casual 15-25s CD heal button and a dozen others plus party-wide heals. Your role was important and relevant because the other jobs couldn't just simply do it for you like they can now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraceHorizon View Post
    Normal difficulty content can be handled even when one party member is incompetent or dead, so long as everyone else knows what they’re doing.
    Earlier this week I joined an on-going Meso Terminal run, I was player #3 in that party and we were missing a Tank, this wasn't nearly as much a problem as it should've been, we did wipe once, but it was because the Healer messed up the kb slam on the last boss, but I was otherwise perfectly capable of taking TBs to the face so long as they were mitted properly.

    I genuinely feel there is no role that is absolutely needed, you just need a support whatever it might be, and this leads to Tanks coming off as overpowered when there is both a Healer and a Tank, I feel neither role should be as powerful as they are currently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    I often wonder why healers even use heals on me when tanking.
    To ease the pain of pushing 1 repeatedly for forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraceHorizon View Post
    I’m sorry, but as someone who tanks on Warrior (but also frequently heals) this brings a grin to my face. Normal difficulty content can be handled even when one party member is incompetent or dead, so long as everyone else knows what they’re doing. It has to be, or else casual players wouldn’t be able to reliably clear it. I never tell my healers this when I’m tanking because I don’t want to hurt their feelings, but I am endeavoring to use my job abilities as best I can to make their presence redundant.

    But to take this in the other direction, as I mentioned I also heal pretty frequently (on Sage) and I have been in dungeon parties where the tank has disconnected. If they take too long to come back, I absolutely will heal the DPS through mob packs and some boss fights without a tank. Should the tank feel useless because we could clear the dungeon without them? No, that’s just the way dungeons are designed: with enough slack that any player can be missing or incompetent and the party can still clear. If everyone is good at their jobs, that just gives you a safety margin.
    Pressing BW every 20 seconds to just delete the need for a healer to even be in the party isn’t “allowing for coverage of incompetence” it’s straight up encroaching on the healer role.

    I’m fine with you having tools to help if need be, I’m not fine with you telling me (or just silently doing it) to not do my job because you can do it just as well as me. Your tools should exist to fill the gaps of an incompetent healer, not be the healer to the point people in the community are actively telling healers not to do their job
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    I'm a pug player, so I haven't really run into this much. When I'm in a pug, I'm sometimes surprised how much healing some tanks need while others need one. That includes some warriors that may not really know how to play or something, as I see their HP plummet.

    I love my pugs and players that get hit by almost everything lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora View Post
    I'm a pug player, so I haven't really run into this much. When I'm in a pug, I'm sometimes surprised how much healing some tanks need while others need one. That includes some warriors that may not really know how to play or something, as I see their HP plummet.

    I love my pugs and players that get hit by almost everything lol.
    Yeah not every tank is equally skilled. As a Sage I have so much OGCD barrier and mitigation that I can act like the tank needs my help, and I don’t sacrifice anything important by doing so. It’s a good safety strat even when it’s not necessary. But yeah it’s pretty rewarding to be the one who stops a wipe or drags a struggling party to a clear.

    And to healers who complain that their whole role is invalidated by tanks’ abilities, I say: go help out some less experienced players. Your services will still be needed whenever people aren’t turning in excellent play.
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