New Variant Dungeon: Reward structure is a downgrade from previous ones.

[TheGrimace]

A sleep mask? what

[Cidel]

After hearing it repeated several times that Advanced is a good "middle ground" approaching Extreme difficulties, I was considering trying it out in Duty Finder to maybe farm the 100 Brass for the mount (nothing else from Advanced vendor appeals to me), but... If I'm understanding the loot system correctly for the Advanced Variant dungeon, the Brass tokens are to be rolled on, not personal loot... Which instantly makes Duty Finder'ing it sound unappealing for needing to put your faith in 3 randos you'll probably never see again to distribute it fairly each time and not try and free-for-all the loot when they're not under any obligation to do so. And even then, it's sounding like each chest is RNG for amounts of Brass, but it sounds far more likely to be the lowest tier and only contain 4 coins per chest (1 per person)...

Even Advanced's reward structure sounds like a 'hard pass' if I'm not tolerating PF for it.

[Daudream]

...or even an appropriate title...

Ok so thinking on it with a more awake mind there probably is a title linked to the final quest, does not make the mask less garbage, but now I'm also thinking about how we didn't even get a unique prism bag.... it's just the ribbons from OC, mix this with the alo savage mess (something tradable idk never done that one) and this has to be the messiest and laziest reward system they could have done! Complete slop on their part, at least I enjoy the variant itself well enough.

[Astronis]

After hearing it repeated several times that Advanced is a good "middle ground" approaching Extreme difficulties, I was considering trying it out in Duty Finder to maybe farm the 100 Brass for the mount (nothing else from Advanced vendor appeals to me), but... If I'm understanding the loot system correctly for the Advanced Variant dungeon, the Brass tokens are to be rolled on, not personal loot... Which instantly makes Duty Finder'ing it sound unappealing for needing to put your faith in 3 randos you'll probably never see again to distribute it fairly each time and not try and free-for-all the loot when they're not under any obligation to do so. And even then, it's sounding like each chest is RNG for amounts of Brass, but it sounds far more likely to be the lowest tier and only contain 4 coins per chest (1 per person)...

Even Advanced's reward structure sounds like a 'hard pass' if I'm not tolerating PF for it.

That's not the case. After every boss, you get one chest of Personal Spoils. If the party clears all three bosses, you get an additional fourth chest of Personal Spoils, and a shared Treasure Chest, which everyone can roll on. If you go in with a duty finder group and beat even one boss, you won't leave empty handed.

The mermaid boss is easy enough that I think a reasonably capable duty finder group could go in completely blind and kill it with plenty of time to try another one. The other two are harder, but even then a good group can go in blind and kill at least one of them within the time limit.

[JadeCurtiss]

Given the current high‑level gearing model, which deliberately includes lockouts for the current raid tier, what kinds of V&C rewards make sense, assuming V&C isn’t meant to bypass those lockouts?

The model itself is inherently the problem. As long this scope of progression remains as narrow as it is there are only so many things you can use as rewards. Another alternative is to make a new type of cosmetic reward but it's simpler to work within what's already in the game.

[MiyumTano]

Square has a massive problem with rewards in this game. It’s absurd to see rewards like Materia, Materia, and more Materia. No player is ever going to trade their Variant currency for Materia, so why even put it there? It’s fine to include cute glams made specifically for Gpose, but you need to add proper rewards on top of everything else. If I play new content, it’s because I enjoy the new setting, but above all, because I know that upon completion I’ll get a new weapon, mount, or gear piece

[Garruss]

It just seems like less and less is being given to players for this game, and the time it's taking to get content is getting longer and longer

[Laerune]

On the 13th Yoshida will express how surprised he is of the playerbase reaction and he will vow to improve this in the future.

Please look forward to it.

[MiyumTano]

and the fix will always come after 24 months, when the content will be dead and buried

[GraceHorizon]

It just seems like less and less is being given to players for this game, and the time it's taking to get content is getting longer and longer

It’s the slow pace of content release that really galls me, combined with the seeming inability to address continuing problems like their network issues they’ve been labeling “DDoS”. It feels like we’re getting less and less each patch, or at least less and less enjoyment. Life is probably different for hardcore players who are expected to be chewing on higher difficulty content for extended periods, but for a player who just wants to log in and have some casual fun, things have gotten old pretty fast and new content hasn’t come in quickly enough to keep me interested.

I can point to exactly the thing that caused my disenchantment to reach critical levels: the long delay for patch 7.41. 7.4 was an underwhelming patch for me — the Arcadion was cool, but the patch MSQ was totally uninteresting to me, I found the dungeon ugly and a little boring, the Trial was gimmicky and felt like it only existed because the game formula said there had to be a Trial, and I didn’t try Pilgrim’s Traverse because I’m not very into deep dungeons and the ongoing network problems made that kind of content feel like a bad idea. But I was looking forward to the next relic step and Cosmic Exploration planet, so I ground the Arcadion for orchestrion rolls and figured I would get 7.41 any day now. Any day now. Any day now … until finally it came out weeks later than I expected, with no explanation for the delay, giving me plenty of time to consider why I was even playing FFXIV any more.

And that’s how I decided to cancel my sub.