Alright hear me out DRK

[Avorie]

Suggestion: Make Plunge a Delirium proc. When you activate delirium, shadowstride temporarily morphs into Plunge (same hotbar slot). Using plunge doesn’t consume shadowstride—after the plunge use (or when delirium ends), the button reverts and you still have shadowstride available normally. Keeps the kit clean and makes delirium feel more burst-y without adding buttons. Plunge also give you a small heal. And you can unlock it at lvl 70

[Shurrikhan]

Why bother with anything so convoluted?

As long as Shadowstride/Plunge retains a second charge, there's no risk from its being used for damage since the max potency benefit for using it under raid buffs is under 40 potency (outpaced by even a 9th of a GCD extra uptime saved from actually using it for a gap-closer).

It's literally just a question of apm and button density. Do you want the button to be wasted whenever there's no gap to close, or not? Do you want it always to offer 2 extra apm, or only when there are at least two gaps to close per minute? That's it.

[Reginald_Cain]

Better idea, just delete carve and make abyssal drain usable on single target and use the extra slot for plunge

[Carighan]

Better idea, just delete carve and make abyssal drain usable on single target and use the extra slot for plunge

Good idea, but even better:

* Do what you say.
* But just replace Shadowstride with Plunge.

-> One hotbar slot freed up, ~10 more to go until all unnecessary stuff is removed and the good functionality has been consolidated into 10-15 buttons that actually do meaningful things.

[Reginald_Cain]

I mean I like that we have dashes we don't have to spend for damage but I think most of the tanks except paladin have enough room for both. There are lots of skills that are just aoe versions of a different offensive or defensive cd. for example why aren't sheltron x intervene and bloodwhetting x nascent flash one button? gun breaker and dark knight don't have this problem since hoc and tbn are used on themselves or a friend.

[Carighan]

I mean I like that we have dashes we don't have to spend for damage but I think most of the tanks except paladin have enough room for both. There are lots of skills that are just aoe versions of a different offensive or defensive cd. for example why aren't sheltron x intervene and bloodwhetting x nascent flash one button? gun breaker and dark knight don't have this problem since hoc and tbn are used on themselves or a friend.

Yeah but I'd be fine with a 0 damage plunge. I just want the awesome animation back tbh, compared to the silly 80s neon-retro slidestep.

[Shurrikhan]

I mean I like that we have dashes we don't have to spend for damage

Gap-closing IS damage. Far, far more so than fitting it into raid buffs (generally less than 40 potency, outweighed by even 0.3 seconds of uptime saved). And with two charges, you could keep the CD rolling without losing the ability to gap-close within the next 30s, leaving it rare for you to have to think more than some 15s ahead for an upcoming double-gap.

The only tanks with any constraint issues on that mobility (limited to spending both charges within a 15s window for optimal damage or 20s for near-optimal damage) are/were Paladin and Gunbreaker due to Fight or Flight and No Mercy, respectively. And both can/could have been fixed by just having Intervene and Rough Divide always count as if under FoF and NM, respectively (or by having no damaging gap-closer of them scale with damage bonuses altogether).

Yeah but I'd be fine with a 0 damage plunge. I just want the awesome animation back tbh, compared to the silly 80s neon-retro slidestep.

I'd prefer an attack animation to deal damage.

If you don't want it to deal damage so that you don't have to include it inside an already debloated rotation (already lost Abyssal Drain and Blood Weapon each as separate CDs)... there's a Purpsurf for that.

[Derio]

I would rather gain a move rather than lose one. Theoretically I would like DRK to have a second combo which could be Plunge->Scourage->power slash. Where they could bring those moves back and improve the animations.

[Carighan]

I would rather gain a move rather than lose one. Theoretically I would like DRK to have a second combo which could be Plunge->Scourage->power slash. Where they could bring those moves back and improve the animations.

By that logic, by 10.0 you're sitting on 41 abilities. Good luck. PS6 players will be using two controllers, one with their feet, on top of voice input through Alexa. PC users will get the game as a bundle only, including an MMO mouse and a full-size keyboard incase they only got a 60% one or so.

And mind you with those 41 abilities, all FFXIV would still achieve is a 100% static rotation you just read from The Balance and then practice on a dummy to keep up, 0 actual gameplay still.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

> 41 abilities
> Controller players needing two controllers

Controller players with W-Crosshotbar can hold up to 48 keys without having to swap between hotbars using double-taps and left-right / right-left taps of the hotbar keys, so that's a wild claim Carighan. Sure, it wouldn't be as comfortable as having less keys to press, but Controller players really are not lacking hotbar real estate.

That aside, even then you could likely slash three hotkeys with an option to merge combos. [Hard Slash] -> [Syphon Strike] -> [Souleater] = [Souleater Combo], as well as [Unleash] -> [Stalwart Soul] = [Stalwart Soul Combo], similar to PvP. Still requires the same amount of button presses to execute the combo, but its on the same hotkey similar to how Torcleaver combo, cartridge combo, Atonement combo etc. works.