ARR Needs Significant Cuts to the MSQ

[Veritas-Ancora]

Go back to playing wow then instead of trying to bring wow into the Ffxiv.

I hate when people are this cruel. "gO bAcK tO wHeRe yOu CaMe fRoM" should be reportable.

Whether you like it or not, World of Warcraft offers some valuable insight on what works and what doesn't. Square-Enix SHOULD be listening to their competitors to develop a well-rounded game.

WoW lets you select the expansion you wish to play and level syncs to everything. That's a lesson that FFXIV could definitely benefit from instead of raising the level cap to 3,000.

[ReynTime]

I'm a sprout, I just played through it like 2 months ago. I don't think there should be any cuts to MSQ.

If square-Enix were smart. They would just do something that made it so ARR-HW-STB-SHB-EW and dawntrail became one era.

And make it so whatever the next expansion is everyone starts at level 1 again new players can start new expansion immediately like it was ARR, a new game.

Old era can be played at any time. It would solve level bloat and if new players don't want to play through 300hrs of content they don't have to... But it would still be there preserved.

They missed the chance to do this when 6.0 ended. A different path from 6.1 would have been the perfect time to start a new storyline that didn't require knowledge of the previous 10 years worth of story and Scions' background and any new player would be able to choose to start with that one without feeling like they parachuted themselves into a clique that goes way back.

Go back to playing wow then instead of trying to bring wow into the Ffxiv.

Garbage take considering this game only had the design direction it has because they looked at WoW as the main inspiration.

[Bubert]

Inspiration and completely copying the game are two different things. You all quit Wow, migrated to Ffxiv then dare to moan why Ffxiv don’t have the things Wow has. How funny.

[Catwho]

That's probably a result of most of these story segments being originally stretched out over the course of patches that spanned weeks/months. Anyone jumping in now is effectively able to "binge watch" an entire expansion if they don't stop to take breaks/do side content along the way.

No, this is in the MSQ itself. After a major events within the base 6.0 and 7.0 storylines, the NPCs say "wow that was rough, you probably need a nap, come talk to me again when you've had a break"

And that was my cue to log off for the day and thing about what I've done.

The story of Dawntrail takes place over 2 months time, if you stop and count the days that were said to pass (like Wuk being gone overnight for her alpaca hunt) or times night was depicted..... and the times the NPCs said LET'S TAKE A BREAK!

[NegativeS]

The MSQ length isn't the problem, A lot of that worldbuilding is why so many people praise and get so attached to FFXIV's story. The problem is the lack of gameplay variety.

Every one of the 240 pre-HW quests is either:

• Click on an object/NPC
• Walk to an NPC/object somewhere else and click on them
• Kill some fodder mobs in the open world
• Kill some fodder mobs that appear when you go to a certain location
• Kill some fodder mobs in a solo instance
• Walk to and complete a dungeon

So much text and nothing interesting to break it up, eventually it all starts to smear together.

[Xieldras]

Whether you like it or not, World of Warcraft offers some valuable insight on what works and what doesn't. Square-Enix SHOULD be listening to their competitors to develop a well-rounded game.

WoW lets you select the expansion you wish to play and level syncs to everything. That's a lesson that FFXIV could definitely benefit from instead of raising the level cap to 3,000.

I do agree that WoW has some good insights when it comes to gameplay. However FF14's main strength lies in its story (the main thing it's praised for). What you're suggesting is to simply throw away that strength in favor of...what? Far be it from me to tell others how to play, but this is a MMOJRPG after all. If you wish to skip the story, then just buy the MogSkips instead of asking for cuts to the MSQ.

[Veritas-Ancora]

However FF14's main strength lies in its story (the main thing it's praised for). What you're suggesting is to simply throw away that strength in favor of...what? Far be it from me to tell others how to play, but this is a MMOJRPG after all. If you wish to skip the story, then just buy the MogSkips instead of asking for cuts to the MSQ.

Just for clarification, I'm not suggesting that they throw away the story. Far from it.

What I am suggesting is level syncs for all content. There's a massive discrepancy in current ARR because you level too quickly for the game. It goes so fast that all of the content is pure cake. I've leveled an alt and I'm blown away at how OP I am in everything.

I DO think that players should be able to skip Dawntrail. It was bad. Bad enough that I think it will be another hurdle to keep players engaged with the game. Be it a level skip or what have you, it should follow WoW's structure of an instant level up included with the expansion. That's right: included.

ARR to Endwalker was an excellent journey. Yeah ARR had a lot of fluff but eventually you got there. I don't think you should have to pay for a MogSkip to catch up to whatever's after Dawntrail.

[Alicie]

I do agree that WoW has some good insights when it comes to gameplay. However FF14's main strength lies in its story (the main thing it's praised for). What you're suggesting is to simply throw away that strength in favor of...what? Far be it from me to tell others how to play, but this is a MMOJRPG after all. If you wish to skip the story, then just buy the MogSkips instead of asking for cuts to the MSQ.

Skip should come together with full game purchase then. Pay $60 for game then pay additional $50 to skip to relevant expansion? Isn't it a little bit too steep to ask for $110 just to start playing the game?

[Xieldras]

Skip should come together with full game purchase then. Pay $60 for game then pay additional $50 to skip to relevant expansion? Isn't it a little bit too steep to ask for $110 just to start playing the game?

Then play the game? Skips exist to bypass the experience offered to you, i.e: trading in money instead of time spent.

Also you pay for every expansion regardless, so I'm not certain how your monetary argument comes in.

I DO think that players should be able to skip Dawntrail. It was bad. Bad enough that I think it will be another hurdle to keep players engaged with the game. Be it a level skip or what have you, it should follow WoW's structure of an instant level up included with the expansion. That's right: included.

Can't really disagree with that though. Dawntrail's MSQ almost put me off the game entirely.

[Alicie]

Then play the game? Skips exist to bypass the experience offered to you, i.e: trading in money instead of time spent.

Except it's not the gameplay, it's back and forth useless slog most of which don't even contribute to the story