Suggestion: Rework ARR and HW jobs onboarding

[0blivion]

1. SMN/SCH exist.
2. Spotted the guy who is scared of PoTD I guess.
3. I need the class hotbars for macro menus which are entirely within the game's scope of things you can do without mods, and would be wiped out as a result of this.
4. You already get free EXP from everything.

[Diablo_Eichenwald]

This right here is why we can't have nice things... This irritates me just as much as when people complain about "fillers" in anime. All they want to watch is fight scenes, everything else is just a hassle and a "waste of time" to them. Either you enjoy a game or you play another game that you enjoy spending time on.

[Derio]

Considering I can just level most of my jobs from frontlines and WT every expansion. OP's suggestion seems extreme.

[Rithy255]

Has anyone tried recently to pick up a new ARR job? Not only you have to grind first 15 levels on mobs, but you are also literally locked into one roulette until level 50, esseitnally being locked into either same ARR duty grind over and over or having to stretch levelling over literally months. And in addition, you have to do insane amount of quests and solo duties just to unlock new key abilities that are essential to play the job?

Here are my suggestions regarding jobs:

- Completely detach ALL job skills from story. Have story be entirely optional, for people that care about it. Let others just enjoy the gameplay without having to spend few hours to this slog.

- Heavensward jobs: have an Ishgardian Representative in Coerthas central highlands that will allow players of level 30 or higher to pick up HW jobs immediately without reaching Heavensward. Later they can do story quests if they wish so.

- Experience redirection mode: allow to queue roulettes as one job and receive it's exp as another job.

- Boost exp gain before level 50: for example +400%. Nobody enjoys jobs before at least that level, most of them just do not even work properly.

- Remove job stones. At level 30, class auto upgrades to job and that's it.

I actually agree with a lot on what's said despite the lack of likes.

1. I somewhat agree, I think the story is generally a very boring slog to go through, Especially the outdated ARR experience which is 0 gameplay and 99% talk to NPC, even the dungeons are pretty much auto play for anyone plaaying a DPS role; I'd personally want there to be a NEW starting point I do think there should be something before people get into raids as you will get people who don't know a thing about the game in endgame raids with a bunch of skills which is gonna be bad.
2. Agreed, HW jobs should be unlocked as soon as you reach 30, some people wanna be DRK eariler Ast eariler Ect.
3. Disagree, I don't really think this is a good idea I think people should still learn the job they are leveling.
4. I agree, but i also think they need to start looking into making ARR more enjoyable ARR is the biggest wall for people enjoying the game and most people leave because of how terrible it plays.
5. Honestly I agree; Also give scholar a separate starting class from arcanist as only having one healer option sucks.

I think in general I agree but I think it speaks larger on the issues with how poorly the early game plays and how much people get driven away from the game or learning/playing a new job because how awful it feels at early levels.

[Absurdity]

I actually agree with a lot on what's said despite the lack of likes.

1. I somewhat agree, I think the story is generally a very boring slog to go through, Especially the outdated ARR experience which is 0 gameplay and 99% talk to NPC, even the dungeons are pretty much auto play for anyone plaaying a DPS role; I'd personally want there to be a NEW starting point I do think there should be something before people get into raids as you will get people who don't know a thing about the game in endgame raids with a bunch of skills which is gonna be bad.

Let's be honest here, the entire MSQ is 95% talk to NPC and 5% gameplay. This has barely changed over the years, except instead of having to kill random overworld mobs or search for wine you get a solo instance.
There is a bunch of gameplay they could experience through side content but how many new players actually engage with it when they get funneled into the MSQ until level cap?

The entire leveling experience needs an overhaul as well. 1-50 was fine when you still had a bunch of abilities and cross class skills to unlock, not so much when you spam the same 2 buttons for most of it.
Give people more of their job kit much earlier and especially the core parts so they can actually get a feel for how it plays while they level. Because right now you're playing a version that doesn't even function properly until level 90 and it teaches incredibly bad habits.

[MayuAmakura]

Most of people leveled all jobs through botting and thus never experienced a hassle and say "its fine".

[VeyaAkemi]

Most of people leveled all jobs through botting and thus never experienced a hassle and say "its fine".

"If you don't agree with me you are a bot" is certainly a take of all time.

[Asari5]

the first 15 lvl go very quickly if you do hunting logs and class quests. its not even close to a grind nowadays xD

[Lukha]

Personally I'd like to see MORE JOBS locked behind reaching certain points and areas of the game. It's annoying that post-HW they seem to feel like the new jobs MUST ALL be added in the starter cities even when it makes not a lick of sense.

It's unnecessary clutter and hurts what little job story we still get; if the job quests start at level 50 they should be at minimum in a level 50 area, if they start at 70 let them start in a 70 area and so on. It might be a little frustrating for some players to have to - GASP - wait to be able to unlock the one job they want out of our rather large selection of possible jobs, but I'd far prefer that to having to believe it somehow makes sense for (for example) the Samurai job quests not to start in Doma.

[Asari5]

Personally I'd like to see MORE JOBS locked behind reaching certain points and areas of the game. It's annoying that post-HW they seem to feel like the new jobs MUST ALL be added in the starter cities even when it makes not a lick of sense.

It's unnecessary clutter and hurts what little job story we still get; if the job quests start at level 50 they should be at minimum in a level 50 area, if they start at 70 let them start in a 70 area and so on. It might be a little frustrating for some players to have to - GASP - wait to be able to unlock the one job they want out of our rather large selection of possible jobs, but I'd far prefer that to having to believe it somehow makes sense for (for example) the Samurai job quests not to start in Doma.

this... i agree. i want jobquests in their homearea and not another stranger who happens to pass by.