FFXIV DEVS NEED TO STOP CLOTH USER FAVOURTISM

[Bureda]

Blah blah, monk crying because their job isn't the only disgustingly imbalanced job anymore.

'Negligible HP' lol, are you serious?

I like how you're playing ignorant to Thunderclap. What does it do? Let me help freshen your memory:

Ability Instant 10s - 20y
Rush to a target's side.
Additional Effect: Creates a barrier around target party member that nullifies damage equivalent to a heal of 8,000 potency
If the target selected was an enemy, creates a barrier around self instead.
Duration: 5s
Maximum Charges: 2
Cannot be executed while bound.

You have an on demand shield that comes up every 10 seconds. As long as there's somebody nearby you are inherently tanky.
Riddle of Earth is the best defensive in the game. With how much damage is in the game it only needs to run about 3 seconds before you can get yourself a heal that's stronger than a Potion and more often than not a whole recoup.

Saying Shukuchi is a useful escape tool is very ignorant, once again. That's a terrible ability that gatekeeps one of your abilities, and you won't be able to use it more often than not because Shukuchi lands within the range of other players range.
Stealth in this game is a meme and it should be removed from PvP. There's so much AoE in this game and the server tick rate is so terrible that you will seldom escape when using that ability. Comparing Shukuchi to Elusive Jump is funny as hell and it goes to show.

Monk players are so conditioned to play a disgustingly imbalanced job, that when the job is still imbalanced but not as much to you lot it feels like it's not performing. It's not your fault though, it's FFXIV Dev team for making it the token strong job they can use as an excuse to give Cloth Users and other ranged jobs nearly same kit and tankiness as 'bruiser melee'.

Don't worry, I'm sure Monk will be buffed for no reason along with BLM, SMN, MCH, PCT, WHM. Just be patient.

[Phylecia]

Hey, I never said "Blah blah, monk crying because their job isn't the only disgustingly imbalanced job anymore." (though that would be funny)

What I did actually say wasn't very much; most of my post was what A.I.'s assessment of the job is as of this current patch compared to all other melee options.

Though, I do 'mostly' agree with it if I'm being honest.

'Negligible HP' lol, are you serious?

I do agree with it, these are the melee job Hit Point Values:
MNK 63000
SAM 61500
RPR 61500
NIN 60000
DRG 61500
VPR 61500

So if we can say that 3,000 is the biggest Hit Point advantage possible out of all the other melee jobs, if we're only looking a NIN, because others are even less in difference then that.

Then the weakest possible hit I can do as MNK would be a melee attack of 5,500 (Dragon Kick).

So what that means is that the weakest hit I can possibly do is nearly double that Hit Point amount in damage.

A long way to say, "Yes" it's a pretty "Negligible" difference in Hit Points; I do agree with the numbers and with A.I.'s assessment.

Like I don't personally recalling ever having had an escape moment in a match that had me going, "Oh thank god I had MNK Hit Points, otherwise I'd a been a goner~!"

On the point of being tanky though, my comparison was on melee vs melee only using A.I. But if we're talking about the 'cloth' classes too which I probably should have included since that was more the topic.

I have seen BLM & PCT especially, for example, be WAY tankier than I'm able to pull off as a MNK.

Like omg PCT I've seen it have 2 to 3 people just bursting all out on it and somehow it's living; like it just won't die; it's crazy!

Going back to the Thunderclap for a moment, specifically I'd say this is in my experience with it for:
Offense: Good for diving in. The shield soaks minor splash damage, but won't stop you from getting deleted if you dive into a big 5v5 pile-up.
Defense (The Weak Link): Most jobs have a "get out of jail free" card (teleports/jumps). Thunderclap requires a teammate to be in the right spot to even attempt using it as an escape tool.
The Shield Flaw: If it is used as an escape tool a teammate gets the shield, not you. You'll still often die due to server snapshotting the attacks that were going off on your back as you were trying to dive out.
Utility: It’s much better for saving others. Gapping to a dying friend to give them a shield and peeling off of them is its best defensive use, defensively I've had the most success using it like that.

That's my experiences with it, it never feels like a 'defensive' unless a 1v1 duel.

Like if you look at MANY of the abilities, so many do 8k+ in damage and now imagine even only 2 people attacking you at once; forget 3+ people attacking. That 8k is something, I'm not arguing that, but it's not a match changing ability like an LB, which is how you're describing it lol

[Bureda]

Firstly. What are you doing man? You've come here with disingenuous intentions, acting like a victim like MNK hasn't been one of the most broken jobs in this game for multiple seasons.

I should be thankful you're keeping this thread alive I suppose.

Like I don't personally recalling ever having had an escape moment in a match that had me going, "Oh thank god I had MNK Hit Points, otherwise I'd a been a goner~!"

You are glad. How would you act of Monk was brought down by 3k HP? It had more HP because it was lacking range. Now it has Range.

Extra HP is better than nothing. You are still 3k or 1.5k hp from getting killed.

I have seen BLM & PCT especially, for example, be WAY tankier than I'm able to pull off as a MNK.

Like omg PCT I've seen it have 2 to 3 people just bursting all out on it and somehow it's living; like it just won't die; it's crazy!

FACTS. FFXIV devs still need time to AI generated patch notes and job balances. Give them some time. Maybe one day they will figure out Cloth/Ranged shouldn't be tanks or bruisers.

Going back to the Thunderclap for a moment, specifically I'd say this is in my experience with it for:

I'm not here to teach you how to play. You can dash on someone to get a shield and then knock them away. Think outside the box. Or you can peel someone off by doing damage as you slowly bait one or two people away from a team fight. The possibilities are endless because your job is disgustingly broken!

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Like if you look at MANY of the abilities, so many do 8k+ in damage and now imagine even only 2 people attacking you at once; forget 3+ people attacking. That 8k is something, I'm not arguing that, but it's not a match changing ability like an LB, which is how you're describing it lol
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Now you're just being silly. Yes, let's ignore the fact you can empowered multiple abilities.

[Phylecia]

The possibilities are endless because your job is disgustingly broken!

That right there! That's what I'm trying to see and understand. You say 'disgustingly broken'.

Just doing some research, some of the top results will show you what I'm saying:
https://simpleboost.com/guides/ffxiv...ading-anchor-1
C (Underperforming) Monk (Melee DPS), Reaper (Melee DPS), Dancer (Ranged DPS), Black Mage (Caster DPS) These jobs face tough odds in CC’s burst-heavy and CC-driven environment. Monk and Reaper can function but get overshadowed by simpler, stronger melees. Dancer offers support but minimal kill pressure. Black Mage has brutal damage but is too vulnerable to perform consistently.

A lot of the community see MNK as a discount BLM; it basically does BLM stuff, only worse. Less sustained damage, less CC, etc. (my 2 cents I'd actually rather try to kill another mnk than a blm, they're deceptively tankie).

Everything I'm parroting is what I've read, bounced off of AI and also having played it a lot myself.

So if MNK is actually broken, please show me; don't tell me I'm dumb or too blind to see it, please explain it or show me.

If it is broken, you should have no issue proving it with a link or some kind of comparison towards the other jobs I would think.

[Bureda]

That right there! That's what I'm trying to see and understand. You say 'disgustingly broken'.

Just doing some research, some of the top results will show you what I'm saying:
https://simpleboost.com/guides/ffxiv...ading-anchor-1
C (Underperforming) Monk (Melee DPS), Reaper (Melee DPS), Dancer (Ranged DPS), Black Mage (Caster DPS) These jobs face tough odds in CC’s burst-heavy and CC-driven environment. Monk and Reaper can function but get overshadowed by simpler, stronger melees. Dancer offers support but minimal kill pressure. Black Mage has brutal damage but is too vulnerable to perform consistently.

A lot of the community see MNK as a discount BLM; it basically does BLM stuff, only worse. Less sustained damage, less CC, etc. (my 2 cents I'd actually rather try to kill another mnk than a blm, they're deceptively tankie).

Everything I'm parroting is what I've read, bounced off of AI and also having played it a lot myself.

So if MNK is actually broken, please show me; don't tell me I'm dumb or too blind to see it, please explain it or show me.

If it is broken, you should have no issue proving it with a link or some kind of comparison towards the other jobs I would think.

You linked me a website that says this:
Red Mage packs a versatile kit that fuses melee combos, ranged spells, healing utility, and crowd control. This job shifts between “White Shift” (enchanted melee combos) and “Black Shift” (powerful spell damage).


Get out of here and go RP or something. Your acting skills are peak!

[Phylecia]

Get out of here and go RP or something. Your acting skills are peak!

Okay, clearly I'm talking to a wall at this point... omg we ARE role-playing!? O_O

Well... if we do ever do this again, I get to play the angry wall with opinions next time.

[Bureda]

Okay, clearly I'm talking to a wall at this point... omg we ARE role-playing!? O_O

Well... if we do ever do this again, I get to play the angry wall with opinions next time.

Thank you for keeping the thread alive.

I will be the disingenuous overpowered job cry baby main (possible square enix agent) with the intentions of spreading misinformation in a dead mode because Square Enix choses to releases dead on arrival games instead of communicating with its fans like actual human beings.

[theunhappypotato]

people take pvp in ff14 serious?

[Connor]

people take pvp in ff14 serious?

Looks like people are taking it so seriously they’re PvP’ing on the forums now lol

/s

[Reginald_Cain]

I'll paste my response to another pvp post here
"Ok I'm gonna step on a lot of toes here but ranked video game ladders are just glorified gambling. Look at league of legends and overwatch, you will get gatekeepers who just troll on purpose to keep people low rank, smurfs that play on alts to bully low skill noobs and the worst part of it is that people who participate become deluded and think they'll be rewarded for their effort but don't realize despite trying hard you need to learn things you didn't even know exist like macro and tempo. If your progress is completely at the mercy of not only your performance but a bunch of other people then it's better to step back and figure out how to better yourself in something more tangible. I think video game ranked modes are degenerate by nature."

They could nerf and buff whatever jobs the community wants but the game will never feel satisfactory or balanced because of behavior and gameplay patterns created by the competitive atmosphere. Balancing jobs will never balance your team mates or enemy team mates and they will make certain jobs feel broken by exploiting how fast certain combos make an individual player on the opposing team rage quit.