Please just... Just change Living Dead

[ShionAsrai]

Omg bruh the healer isn't greifing by doing their job and healing you. If you cant adapt to not being able to use unnecessary invulnerability buttons in casual content where its not needed then you need to realize that mmos arent for you. If the healer isn't paying attention to chat stop and make them. Your the tank, you control the flow of the dungeon. Grow some extra skin. Communicate or accept you wont need to press living dead. This is asking for so much nonsense.

Worst part is im certain you think you are 100% correct that healers healing is grief because you wanna press ld.

You're mistaken on your beliefs about me and i really don't understand what gave you such an idea, perhaps it's the fact that i said you don't need to waste your heals on huge packs of pulls when the tank has invulnerability that made you start thinking that i think healers healing is griefing which is the most weirdest claim i've ever heard be it if it came from me or if it came from you as a claim of what i would think.

When i say griefing i strictly talk about certain healers who heal on Living Dead and NOT HEAL when the ability is wearing off which has happened enough times already.

This might come as a shock but trust me, it's not the tank that's controlling the flow of the duty aside from pulling enemies, now to your suggestion of growing some skin i would ask that you grow some cells and read what i exactly said and meant because there's no hidden meanings there.



With these being said, i think i'll start maining warrior and take myself out of here as even if my healer is bad or griefing on purpose i won't be the person dealing with it. See you guys on the posts about Warrior having too much heals and that playing healer is getting boring.

[Supersnow845]

You're mistaken on your beliefs about me and i really don't understand what gave you such an idea, perhaps it's the fact that i said you don't need to waste your heals on huge packs of pulls when the tank has invulnerability that made you start thinking that i think healers healing is griefing which is the most weirdest claim i've ever heard be it if it came from me or if it came from you as a claim of what i would think.

When i say griefing i strictly talk about certain healers who heal on Living Dead and NOT HEAL when the ability is wearing off which has happened enough times already.

This might come as a shock but trust me, it's not the tank that's controlling the flow of the duty aside from pulling enemies, now to your suggestion of growing some skin i would ask that you grow some cells and read what i exactly said and meant because there's no hidden meanings there.



With these being said, i think i'll start maining warrior and take myself out of here as even if my healer is bad or griefing on purpose i won't be the person dealing with it. See you guys on the posts about Warrior having too much heals and that playing healer is getting boring.

Your point has literally zero consistency. Living dead is a triage situation between the healer and the tank, sometimes the tank gets the timing wrong, sometimes the healer is an idiot……..okay I mean that’s literally how an MMO works, the tank and healer have to cooperate with each other and the “solution” to change LD just exists so that the tank can have their “moment” regardless of the healer.

Think about it this way, i recite excog you then you push living dead with this proposed “solution”, you just zeroed out my critcog. Did you not rob me of my ability to have my moment because you wanted to have yours? Tanking and healing is a conversation and it doesn’t always go flawlessly. The ability isn’t “not working as intended” because a healer didn’t understand what it was and ignored it. That’s an inexperienced healer doing what they think is right. That’s the point of cooperation, sometimes things go wrong because you someone else did something wrong

It speaks a lot that your point drifts to “guess I will just play WAR so I can do whatever I want regardless of your input” and somehow frame that as a failing of healers

Also just a note for the other post on the other post, emboldening random phrases and words isn’t “improving clarity”. Emboldening “it’s bringing the ability closer to its original purpose” doesn’t make it more true because it’s bold

[Shurrikhan]

Your point has literally zero consistency. Living dead is a triage situation between the healer and the tank

How is it any more so than spamming heals on a HP-capped Paladin under Hallowed Ground, though? And, yes, I do mean HP-capped, as unless you prevent the DRK from triggering Walking Dead, they would heal themselves to full anyways, so the party healing wasted is nigh identical. (Only the portion after triggering WD and then losing health again could the healer actually support.)

Put that in the context of any other invuln. "Don't worry, I can heal you through it without your Superbolide that you already popped, so I'll continue healing unnecessarily." Except, now... there's an actual punishment for doing so. It's far worse than merely wasting an opportunity.

That a tank hits too many other defensives at the same time for it to likely proc even if you, the healer, provided absolutely no further sustain is a reason to ignore it, sure, but the mere fact that you can heal through it is not a reason to do so.


Moreover, returning to the more core subject... if only one singular invuln can be screwed over in that way, isn't that a reason to either change it or reduce the leniency of the others in similar fashion?

Not saying it needs to be whatever has been suggested here (I'd be plenty happy with just a big doom timer hanging graphically over the DRK if anything more would be too homogenizing), but it is an issue unique to Warrior (not that it ever lacks for sustain in those same circumstances anyways) and (to a much greater degree) DRK, with it being especially clunky for the latter.

I've had quite a few times now, usually when a DPS d/cs at start so pulls go long or the healer can't be bothered to AoE and the DPS aren't doing well either, that I've eventually needed to schedule in an LD to survive, used a macro saying as much beforehand, and even popped a sound effect on activation... only to have the healer just barely ensure it can't go off so I die and curse me out afterwards for so much as suggesting they might glance at their text-bubbles at least on occasion ('no in-game graphic, not my problem') or at least actually heal enough to keep one alive after preventing their target's sustain.

The whole idea is to pull a huge pack which is rare in dungeons

No, it's... definitely the norm. The last time I saw less than a wall-to-wall in a daily roulette outside of the absurdly long hallway on Anyder was... Stormblood, maybe?

And you'd probably see invulns there more often if things weren't dead before you'd use even half whatever kit wouldn't be available by its part in the next W2W pull.