Add Stone, Sky, Sea Completion as Savage Unlock Requirement

[ZUZ]

Please make Stone, Sky, Sea mandatory to unlock Savage tier.

I'm tired of having players who don't do decent damage joining my parties and wiping us because of it AND the multiple deaths that may occur during a run. Item level is a poor way of ensuring "quality".

I'm not asking to tune anything down just add an additional unlock requirement that is a mild inconvenience.

For example, if I want to do M11S then I have to beat the M11S SSS training dummy. This would reduce player frustrations.

Your players don't know how to do their rotations or utilize pot windows. This 2min meta could be furthered simplified and it won't change a thing. Please make SSS mandatory so they are at least aware that DPS checks exist and how to clear them. We have to play perfectly because players don't know how to play despite being given every tool to clear these fights.

I make mistakes and I know others will make them too but you have to literally play with 0 deaths and damage downs to make up for the fact people aren't doing decent damage.

I don't want to passport check people, I never have, and its getting to the point where it feels like I'm gonna have to start doing that.

[Jeeqbit]

It would be a start, for sure. I'd always set this when forming parties if so.

Don't get me wrong, I know it is easy to beat these dummies. I can typically defeat the last floor dummy in pentamelded crafted gear with food, pots and Ornate. So obviously, it should be more than defeatable later in the tier with all that tomestone gear, drops from prior floors. Thus, if someone is somehow unable to so much as defeat a dummy that just sits there then it at least filters out people that can't even stand still and do their rotation.

[ZUZ]

It would be a start, for sure. I'd always set this when forming parties if so.

Don't get me wrong, I know it is easy to beat these dummies. I can typically defeat the last floor dummy in pentamelded crafted gear with food, pots and Ornate. So obviously, it should be more than defeatable later in the tier with all that tomestone gear, drops from prior floors. Thus, if someone is somehow unable to so much as defeat a dummy that just sits there then it at least filters out people that can't even stand still and do their rotation.

It wouldn't stop people from making mistakes and that's fine. My main focus is to filter out the people with misaligned raid buffs or trolling their pot windows. Hell, give people various dummy pots during SSS so they can try them out and see the difference.
Players already have the item level to clear these fights but they're just not clearing unless the whole group is compensating with gear.

[Asari5]

be gone! spirit of evil! how dare you talk about dps like this is wow. this is the game for cuddles and love! no one ever did too little dmg in ff14!


no seriously: i like your idea! seems to be really necessary to show people they do too little dmg.

[PyurBlue]

This sounds like something out of a job application more than a video game. I understand the frustration behind it, but having to do all kinds of busy work to join a party bothers me more. Making parties from people on friend lists that have been vetted through previous raids is enough for me.

[theunhappypotato]

honestly good idea, its not even that much efford but would really show some people in a decent way that they dont understand how their job works and stuff

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

That would be a start. It also means that they need to tune the dps checks individually per jobs to account the rDPS-heavy jobs not having a party to take advantage of their contribution. Surely that wouldn't be a complex thing to tweak for them?

[Amarande]

It wouldn't stop people from making mistakes and that's fine. My main focus is to filter out the people with misaligned raid buffs or trolling their pot windows. Hell, give people various dummy pots during SSS so they can try them out and see the difference.

SSS does nothing for raid buff alignment, nor will any other solo content of note. Nor for openers, for openers are effectively meaningless in a vacuum, as their entire reason to exist as such is to establish the initial alignment with other players' rotations.

This is firmly on SE for tripling down on the 2 minute meta format, because it makes synchronizing buffs and debuffs priority number one (mind you this had been a problem before job revamps, in Stormblood the meta for 8p runs literally used 3 of the 4 lowest personal DPS red jobs in the game because buff/debuff synergy boosted everyone else's damage by more than enough to make up for that fact) and that's virtually impossible to teach outside the actual raiding setting.

I'd also be worried that this idea would easily "fall through cracks" and damage the casual player tradition of unsyncing old content (imagine having to prove synced dps check requirements to unsync old raids ...)

This sounds like something out of a job application more than a video game. I understand the frustration behind it, but having to do all kinds of busy work to join a party bothers me more. Making parties from people on friend lists that have been vetted through previous raids is enough for me.

This. And how to make exceptions for premades, otherwise there will be a hue and cry from friendly groups. Do we want to finally hammer in the final nail and effectively make it official that anything other than story modes is a cold professional pursuit and "fun need not apply?"

It's hard to say if this one's on SE though. The big issue here is that in olden times the static (in the form of guild) group was the understood norm, pickup groups were for alts and the desperate. At some point the PUG became the norm but the content didn't really evolve with this change.

Then again what are the other options?

* Downtune non-Ultimate content to reflect the fact that ad hoc grouping has become the norm?
* Thump people's heads till they get back to "if you want a reliable group, get a guild/static" instead of expecting PF to be some sort of super reliable wonderland?
* Thump NA players' heads till they understand PUGs work best with the Japanese style approach in which strategies are built for maximum reliability among unfamiliar players with little communication rather than the typical Western strats that tend to be better left to statics?

[justausername]

I think its a fantastic idea. Why would it make savage any less fun? Its like 2m per fight on a dummy. If you are a good player, it would be easy, move on with your day. But if you are bad at damage on a dummy where youre standing still the whole time? You will be a liability in any group. Static or PF. You will be griefing. I have a feeling it would weed out some bad eggs. Granted not all of them because some people can beat the standing still no mech dummy, but will still be horrible at actual mechs. With the exception of m11s, most of the walls in PF aren't even damage related. Its people dying to mechs over and over. And even then, in m11s you CAN clear with deaths. If everyone hits buttons good.

[ZUZ]

@Amarande

SE and the general playerbase can do what it wants. This is a suggestion based on my pf experience in dawntrail that would at least start many players journey on self improvement. It's not perfect, of course not, there's a ton of things they could do which would take them forever to implement if ever. The focus here is starting somewhere and starting here.

The content has been clearable in PUGs since at least Endwalker and doesn't need to be downtuned.

I don't blame the players. This is on SE for not adapting quickly enough to how people play their game. It took them how long to implement the strategy board and people use it to post memes? Not even a search, vote, or clear rate feature?

This suggestion is just to reduce some of the frustration I've felt. SE can do what it wants. I know what I'm gonna do to avoid frustration.