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  1. #21
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    Alice Rivers
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    Quote Originally Posted by NegativeS View Post
    The game just needs to make tank invuln pops a lot more obvious to healers. Right now, unless you have the sound effects memorized, you're basically SOL.
    Oh man, if only we had buff icons and if only invuln icons took priority... Oh wait.

    As for making LD negate external healing, that's going to lead to a LOT of unnecessary DRK deaths, the number of times I've had to pull a DRK out of their LD because they mistimed it and would die within a GCD of the effect ending is too high to count.
    I can see it now:
    DRK: Why didn't you heal me!?
    Me: Because you had LD up?
    DRK: You're meant to heal me! You're so bad!
    Me: Your invuln literally makes you immune to healing, there's NOTHING I could do.
    DRK: ******* healers.
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  2. #22
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Living Dead is fine as it is. It’s more challenging to use well than the other invulns, but DRK has traditionally been a more challenging tank so it’s par for the course. Sometimes the healer will fail to notice it and put a herculean effort into saving you, causing it to fail to proc, but hey, that usually means you didn’t need to invuln in the first place.

    The other answer I have to this is, communicate better with your healer. I have a cutesy message on a macro with a sound effect on my LD macro (“Using Living Dead. Let me die so that I might live! <se.2>”) to try and make sure folks understand what I’m doing. The best DRKs I’ve played with have gone so far as to drop a message in chat about their plan to pull big and invuln before they start the pull.
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  3. #23
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    Shion Miyanozaka
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    Quote Originally Posted by NegativeS View Post
    The game just needs to make tank invuln pops a lot more obvious to healers. Right now, unless you have the sound effects memorized, you're basically SOL.
    That is a thing i agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    Oh man, if only we had buff icons and if only invuln icons took priority... Oh wait.

    As for making LD negate external healing, that's going to lead to a LOT of unnecessary DRK deaths, the number of times I've had to pull a DRK out of their LD because they mistimed it and would die within a GCD of the effect ending is too high to count.
    I can see it now:
    DRK: Why didn't you heal me!?
    Me: Because you had LD up?
    DRK: You're meant to heal me! You're so bad!
    Me: Your invuln literally makes you immune to healing, there's NOTHING I could do.
    DRK: ******* healers.
    It really doesn't help if the healer is not paying attention to status effects, which is why the suggestions were made for a small addition.

    I wish i've seen this happen, then at least i could understand the point made but no.
    Living Dead negating external healing wouldn't lead to the death of the tank and even if it did then that would mean there weren't enemies left for the Dark Knight to hit and heal or simply that the Dark Knight player was bad beyond question without a doubt.

    Quote Originally Posted by GraceHorizon View Post
    It’s more challenging to use well than the other invulns, but DRK has traditionally been a more challenging tank so it’s par for the course.

    The other answer I have to this is, communicate better with your healer.
    It really doesn't work when the chat gets ignored 90% of the time. Some few people also seem to like griefing the mechanic, then after Living Dead doesn't trigger Walking Dead they simply let the tank die.
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    Last edited by ShionAsrai; 02-05-2026 at 10:03 AM.
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  4. #24
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Shocking that an MMO is asking for the tank and the healer to cooperate

    We should definitely delete that
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  5. #25
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    It's literally the coolest invuln now and people can't stop crying
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    I'm like crit melds fine, I wonder when they'll be me mine! penta meld then i hit rewind, to watch it slot one more time and I got thit SODA!

    -Reginald Pain #1 on the fa mic, blessed with Hydaelyns might, I'll kill ya on sight... *POW*

  6. #26
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    Carighan Maconar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain View Post
    It's literally the coolest invuln now and people can't stop crying
    They even had to swap to GNB and cry until SQEX nerved Superbollide so they have no rivals in actual cool design. And now that Superbollide is lame as hell, they're crying about Living Dead so we no longer have any invulns with actual identity.
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  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Shocking that an MMO is asking for the tank and the healer to cooperate

    We should definitely delete that
    I know right, gotta love it when the healer doesn't ever cooperate and goes further to even grief.



    Quote Originally Posted by Carighan View Post
    they're crying about Living Dead so we no longer have any invulns with actual identity.
    The suggestion doesn't change it's identity, it's called Living Dead, it's a way for Dark Knight to revive in a way without healer's help.
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  8. #28
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    No one's calling you stupid we just completely disagree with living dead needing to be a FORCED main character moment.

    It already serves its purpose well when your healer isn't healing and if you use it while they are keeping you alive then I feel like you're griefing by not using the buffed shadow wall with healing and tbn instead. Abyssal drain is also right there for epic heals during big pulls.
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    I'm like crit melds fine, I wonder when they'll be me mine! penta meld then i hit rewind, to watch it slot one more time and I got thit SODA!

    -Reginald Pain #1 on the fa mic, blessed with Hydaelyns might, I'll kill ya on sight... *POW*

  9. #29
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Dark knights need to learn there is a right and wrong time to use living dead and they are just as responsible for when you press that as the healer is and that if the healer decides to ignore it they may be triaging the situation and came to a different conclusion to you

    If you press living dead while under sacred soil, whispering dawn and critlo its not the healers fault it didn’t go off. If you press it alongside 4 other mitigations you are putting yourself in danger. If you use it like 100% health on a heal with lots of passive heals you are putting yourself in danger

    Maybe consider the healer as well before just saying if you don’t get your main character moment the healer is griefing you
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  10. #30
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carighan View Post
    They even had to swap to GNB and cry until SQEX nerved Superbollide so they have no rivals in actual cool design. And now that Superbollide is lame as hell, they're crying about Living Dead so we no longer have any invulns with actual identity.
    Using superbolide and right clicking the invuln to kill yourself was the biggest appeal of the skill and they ruined it.
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