Why This Relic is Better Than Endwalker (And Most Expansions)

[faiarrow]

Case in point, see how people cheese the leveling roulette item level, surely those are players that are enjoying the content. yep.

This is driving me nuts doing the paste grind right now.

If the best paste route is through levelling then I want to actually be able to stay awake through levelling multiple times.

Repeatedly getting Stone Vigil, Dzemael Darkhold (which has lost ALL soul it had as a legacy dungeon,) and Aurum Vale (ALSO has lost all its soul because of duty support) with tanks who think they can pull entry to boss without letting DPS thin packs at that level kit is taking more time than just... doing a variety of dungeons.

Genuinely would've liked an actually good paste yield being in OC given the relics are thematically tied to it, but just like ShB they chickened out and gave people other options because of Eureka backlash.

Signed, an A9S on content stalwart light grind sufferer.

Editing to add: futureproofing relic steps with alternates to the main content that is used/revolved around it is fantastic for longevity and accessibility, but should only be implemented after the weapon is relevant (ie. next major expac.) Turning the content that is tied to the weapon into a null point out the gate is bad design, and it is something that I felt back in ShB with Bozja being second fiddle to overworld and dungeon grinds. We don't talk about EW, Manderville sucks in english.

[Carin-Eri]

Not usually one to grumble.... but on this occasion...

I agree with what many others are saying - OC should've been the primary 'paste' gathering method. As it is, I've found myself playing solo (i.e doing my own thing) in recent days because most of my friends are so fixated on relic-grinding that they don't seem able to bring themselves to run anything other than levelling roulette and seem to view the whole thing like some sort of race.
I don't see it that way and whilst I do tend to join them for a few Levelling Roulettes I absolutely do NOT want to do them back-to-back at the expense of doing anything else.

Granted it won't be forever and I guess the status-quo will return once said friends have their oh-so-important Relic weapon - but as things currently stand I do find the obsession with the relic grind really tiresome.

[Valence]

People are all praise for light farms like the current paste, yes despise tome grinds. Like for real, what's the damn difference you're doing the exact same content lol

All those tomes you're getting from light farming (unless you do it in OC I guess) are literally going to end up in your other relics on top of it so it's not even like you'd be actually farming stuff for tomes, you're literally getting those tomes for free alongside your light farm.

[VeyaAkemi]

All those tomes you're getting from light farming (unless you do it in OC I guess)

I got exactly 200 Math from farming paste, from two Leveling roulette dailies, I would've gotten a lot more tomes, like a looooooooot more, if I had grinded entirely within OC.

[Valence]

I got exactly 200 Math from farming paste, from two Leveling roulette dailies, I would've gotten a lot more tomes, like a looooooooot more, if I had grinded entirely within OC.

I actually forgot CEs also reward tomes. Well, that only furthers my point.

[Chronaros]

Here just to say my two gils on the subject. I don't mind farming for the relics, I never do all of them but a few each expansion.
That being said, I think SE need to re-evaluate how people farm stuff. This relic is tied to the occult crescent. I love to have options but would love even more to have relevant content. Here it feel like "let's make old roulette relevant for maxed-out players. The result is people Ilevel cheesing non-stop because regardless of the level or difficulty, we'll get 20 paste per leveling roulette. But please for the love of all primals, can we make South Horn at least an option ? 5 paste by CE is a complete joke. Even DT FATE give more in less time. It's a mockery on the player. In the same vein, certain numbers don't make sense. 9 by Hell on rails extreme ? 10-18 by SAVAGE ? Again, it is 20 for LEVELING roulette. By far the easiest roulette in the game. Someone need to review these numbers so that we don't feel like there is only one true option here. (Two if you count pilgrim's traverse).

[Pricia]

I much prefer this. The old relics are a pain, and I'm glad I don't have to do the grinds more than once. 1500 tomes for extra weapons is fair.

But CE should give way more paste than it does. Just no incentive to go back this time around.

[Avenheit]

crystal paste grind is cancer

[Avenheit]

my issue with this relic (i love the relics and how you only have to do the cancer grind once) is it the lack of conjunction with occult cresent. This is very evident with the last step and the crystal paste step.


The reward for fate grinding is not worth it, outside of capping your tomes quicker.


paste rewards should be 10-15 within OC.

[Derio]

I wish every step wasnt 1500 tomes. Let me at least have the option to use silver or another currency from the exploration content. And exploration content needs to be the optimal way to get the paste, not ilvl cheesing the leveling roulette.