Why This Relic is Better Than Endwalker (And Most Expansions)

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

It's 100% better than EW's second tome weapon relic for sure, I'll give you that. But other expac? Eh... I don't know. I personally never cleared any ARR, HW, and StB relics on patch so I don't think I can make fair comparison. While I think that StB relic has maintained good deal of their integrity, there were just some aspects that I never experienced for instance the no mount + no echo from earlier Eurekan exploration days (that must have been harsh on paper!).

ShB and onward? I'd say ShB beats just about in every phases except the infamous Timeworn Artifact bottleneck & the fact that every single steps that provides "in and out"-options in their inception actively kneecaps progression within the centerpiece content until their later patch adjustments. The saving grace is the content itself providing Lost Action system that greatly enhances intrinsic satisfaction, henceforth bad progression became almost negligible so long the gameplay remains fun.

For DT relics: first batch of steps was criticized heavily - for good reasons. Playing with Lady Luck with no means of bad luck protection is a very hit & miss experience. Probably the only comparable step to this was the twelve atmas of Zodiac Zeta Weapons.

Second batch of steps screamed "Hey please oil those roulettes!! The non-lv100 specifically so the game will look alive!".

Third batch of steps (the most recent) provides better options vs second batch but the progression value are suspiciously still trying to tell you to keep oiling certain roulette. Except now it's worse because they probably did not anticipate the playerbase to manipulate the roulette dungeon pool via iLv cheesing to ensure they never get anything beyond Aurum Vale in the name of efficiency (eugh...). For some reason they managed to recreate the pale imitation of "crystal tower illusion of choice"-meme. Fantastic.

The only saving grace in this step is the fact they gave you choice(s) at all, and all of them are lv100 duties. Sadly they don't come with Logos/Lost Actions to spice up your play, and the one system that supposed to facilitate that aspect turns out to be bland & unrewarding.

Tome steps? Yeah I'm not gonna comment of that $h!t. That style of acquisition doesn't need anymore shame.

[Voidmage]

It would be nice for it to go forward. Though...going forward would probably involve Rowena being taken down a couple hundred notches, so good luck with that. Side content hell being what it is, amongst other things.

For his shards, see the Endwalker crafter relic quests. Grenoldt absolutely got use.

I admit that I forgot the EW crafter relic but my point still stands that Genolt is not used as a Shard example.
The Side content hell though I disagree. Rowena is barely if at all in the relic questline. Her and Gerolt's story to continue wouldn't clash with anything. It's simply held as a status quo because "funny".

The relics in my opinion need innovation and that includes either going forward with Gerold or to finally end his involvement..
It's fine to want everything to be the same but I personally think after all those years the Relics deserve some innovation in story and content, especially because they are such a longstanding thing in this game.

Nevertheless I said what I wanted to say regarding this topic.
The devs don't care either way.

[Mercury_Grey]

I admit that I forgot the EW crafter relic but my point still stands that Genolt is not used as a Shard example.
The Side content hell though I disagree. Rowena is barely if at all in the relic questline. Her and Gerolt's story to continue wouldn't clash with anything. It's simply held as a status quo because "funny".

The relics in my opinion need innovation and that includes either going forward with Gerold or to finally end his involvement..
It's fine to want everything to be the same but I personally think after all those years the Relics deserve some innovation in story and content, especially because they are such a longstanding thing in this game.

Nevertheless I said what I wanted to say regarding this topic.
The devs don't care either way.

I might be wrong but last time rowena was part of a relic step was ShB resistence. And before that was anime in HW. Mostly that was to make sure a recruit didn't basically fuck up. Plus its kind of funny she shows up and basically tears someone other then gerolt down adn the WoL thinks, "I don't get paid enough to deal with this crap"

[Valence]

Like, if they want players to engage with specific parts of the game, then just improve the rewards, and perhaps even have an obtainable weapon as part of the rewards for that specific gameplay.

Perhaps before even rewards they should actually make the actual content engaging, instead of recycling the same slop..

Case in point, see how people cheese the leveling roulette item level, surely those are players that are enjoying the content. yep.

I see Gerold as I see Hildibrand after Stormblood, in desperate need of a small break to gather new ideas and the come back even stronger.

I agree, and that's probably why I'm enjoying DT Hildi, because it's not about Hildi as much as it is about Hardiboiled and the new tropes it's playing around. For once they dare break the formula...

[Mikey_R]

Case in point, see how people cheese the leveling roulette item level, surely those are players that are enjoying the content. yep.

The problem here is that the best way to get paste is by doing levelling roulette, if they wanted people in OC, they should have made the acquisition of paste better in OC to the point where it is one of the best, if not the best, method of getting paste.

There are other things that could have been done to get people to farm other sources, ie. making the paste from roulettes just once per day.

I know that if OC was a viable source of paste, I likely would have spent time in OC to gather it, instead, I spammed roulettes, specifically, levelling. To be clear, I didn't ilevel cheese and just done the content that the game gave me (even if I did somehow get Dohn Mheg twice in a row) and it was still quicker than anything else I could have done. As for the fun aspect, I did find it fun when I got into a dungeon that I hadn't seen in a long time, so take from that what you will.

[Voidmage]

I might be wrong but last time rowena was part of a relic step was ShB resistence. And before that was anime in HW. Mostly that was to make sure a recruit didn't basically fuck up. Plus its kind of funny she shows up and basically tears someone other then gerolt down adn the WoL thinks, "I don't get paid enough to deal with this crap"

Rowena has basically been replaced by the house of splendors in itself though I do find it funny that her name alone brings dread to the WoL.
That's what I actually mean when I say that the story of those two doesn't go forward. It's just one of the house being there and having the exactly needed materials, even if those come from the moon while Gerolt ends in debt again because of the alcohol at the end of the questline.
Someone like Gerolt doesn't need to be replaced but a small break for new ideas could work wonders. Let that man go on a honeymoon with Rowena already and continue their shenanigans as a couple for the following Relic or something.

I really don't understand why someone could be against something new for a change tbh, just because "it has always been like that" or "I like Gerolt".

I agree, and that's probably why I'm enjoying DT Hildi, because it's not about Hildi as much as it is about Hardiboiled and the new tropes it's playing around. For once they dare break the formula...

Yeah, Hildibrand is a perfect example of what a break to gather new ideas can actually result in. EW and DT one have been some of the very best versions of him and that's what I want Gerolt also to experience.

Edit:
Man, I can't believe I wrote so many posts just to say "I want something fresh after so many years".

[Aidorouge]

Perhaps before even rewards they should actually make the actual content engaging, instead of recycling the same slop..

Case in point, see how people cheese the leveling roulette item level, surely those are players that are enjoying the content. yep.

I am unironically intrigued by the fact that I could have just dropped my ilvl this whole time and avoid Stormblood and Shadowbringers content in my roulettes, with the exception of alliance raid of course. But I can just do that one last so if I get something other than Crystal Tower, I can take the penalty and it doesn't hold up anything or anyone else. (DPS main, so I'll be easily replaced once I leave.)

Mind you, my motivation is more tied to avoiding fights I find too difficult or frustrating, but that could still qualify as "wouldn't it be great if the content was more enjoyable/engaging" I suppose, but rather than asking for the content to change to suit me, I'll just avoid the content I can't/won't do.

[Astronis]

I really don't understand why someone could be against something new for a change tbh, just because "it has always been like that" or "I like Gerolt".

Haven't really seen anyone be against doing something new (with Gerolt), but yeah...I like Gerolt, and I'd be disappointed if a new relic didn't involve him somehow. On the other hand, if I never saw Y'shtola again, I'd be perfectly happy about that...but I bet a lot of other people wouldn't be. Would you have trouble understanding that?

[Roehann]

"Incidentally, the Development team has been talking about redesigning the weapon enhancement process, so future series might shift from the current style of quests."


While they are at it, can they make it so that all relic items have a chest.. Similar to the Glamour chest or the Armoire but only for relics and relic gear.

After so many expansions people like myself that like to collect EVERY weapon including the Gear that comes with that process, I think we should have a place to put it other than our inventories or retainers. Since the hours and works has been put into getting them all, I think we should be rewarded with a place to store them.

[StriderShinryu]

Just let me repeat the grind if I want.
Tomestones are fine but give me an option.

Yeah, this is really my only issue as well. I'd like the story to be better, or at least better integrated into OC, but it is what it is and I'm personally more concerned with the mechanical aspect of it. Oh, and OC content should have given a little more paste than it does. I'm fine with it not being THE way to get paste but it shouldn't blankly be the definitive worst way to get it.

I actually liked the light grind before it liked the paste grind even more in that it offered a larger variety of ways to get the paste depending on the time/effort/interest of the player. This was good. But the acquisition of the second, third, etc. weapon should not just be Get Tomes. Get Tomes is perfectly excellent AS AN OPTION but I really don't see any reason why we can't also just keep getting paste (or demi-Atmas or whatever) and trading those in towards the ore. Have it work like in ShB were as long as you have the quest for it active, you can get the drops doing whatever you would have done previously. Heck, maybe even balance the currencies and trade ins enough so that Tomes is still the "best" option if that's what you really want, but please just let us do something other than just Get Tomes (and AGAIN, Tomes is great AS AN OPTION)