You might as well add an official DPS log to the game...

[Connor]

If the kicked person lacks the self awareness to reflect on their performance and keeps joining parties they have no business being a part of, you can't blame their poor/dishonest behaviour on anybody but themselves.

I mean I don’t disagree to an extent; if someone got kicked they should probably have an idea of why lol (I.E stacking damage downs or whatever) before even looking at the actual data.

At the same time though, (sadly) it’s not often people respond logically to things. Especially when it comes to perceived criticism. If you convey at least some kind of reasoning then at least there’s a chance they might reflect where otherwise they wouldn’t (and assume it was just all 7 other party members who were bad and not them). That seems like a better approach than just throwing them in the bin (where they may or not belong lol) then complaining that you keep getting trash in the party in my opinion. Like at least it might do something to make things easier next time?

[Aidorouge]

I mean I don’t disagree to an extent; if someone got kicked they should probably have an idea of why lol (I.E stacking damage downs or whatever) before even looking at the actual data.

At the same time though, (sadly) it’s not often people respond logically to things. Especially when it comes to perceived criticism. If you convey at least some kind of reasoning then at least there’s a chance they might reflect where otherwise they wouldn’t (and assume it was just all 7 other party members who were bad and not them). That seems like a better approach than just throwing them in the bin (where they may or not belong lol) then complaining that you keep getting trash in the party in my opinion. Like at least it might do something to make things easier next time?

That would require communication though, and if there's one thing FF14 players hate, it's actually talking to each other in-game.

I mean, what do you think this is, some kind of MMO? :P

[Dakimakura]

Agree with OP, and people need to realise that as long as there is high end content that requires optimal efficiency to clear, then there will always be a need to track and log individual performance in order to achieve that. At the end of the day, it's just a tool that displays the combat log in a more readable and digestible interface.
I might not like myself being judged for poor performance if I attemp that content, but it's just something you have to accept when there are others in the group that just want to progress.

[JadeCurtiss]

"Please add an official way for people to be harassed and excluded" is a weird suggestion.

[Moqi]

"Please add an official way for people to improve their performance" is not.

[theunhappypotato]

"Please add an official way for people to improve their performance" is not.

most peopel arent ready for this cause then it would show thhat they usually sandbag their pf hard

[Kaurhz]

I'm inclined to say yes.

It's a good way for anyone to improve regardless of level, and for anyone with a superiority complex that likes to harass people.., they'll only find themselves getting banned eventually anyway

[0blivion]

Actually, no, it is not. They are probably using those tools but they didn't say a word, they could have many reasons for kicking you. You insulted them once, they are making room for a friend, they wanted a different job, they just had somebody ask to join, they have heard rumours about you...you can assume they are using the tools but with no proof, they are breaking no rules. That's just how it works, you don't get to just take no evidence as evidence. Doesn't work that way.

This. All the ToS do is make me not want to explain why when I kick someone over underperforming (something I can easily verify without tools), because people can't handle the truth and will come crying wolf over being given constructive criticism. It's not worth it.

e/: Also, to the two people who pretend this never happens... at least on my primary EU-based DC, GMs never provide reasons for sanctions. A friend played with me exclusively and got yanked to GM gaol once, and we still have no idea why because we didn't get any details whatsoever. With untransparent moderation like that, I'm not taking chances with how easily underperformers take stuff personally.

[Xieldras]

This. All the ToS do is make me not want to explain why when I kick someone over underperforming (something I can easily verify without tools), because people can't handle the truth and will come crying wolf over being given constructive criticism. It's not worth it.

e/: Also, to the two people who pretend this never happens... at least on my primary EU-based DC, GMs never provide reasons for sanctions. A friend played with me exclusively and got yanked to GM gaol once, and we still have no idea why because we didn't get any details whatsoever. With untransparent moderation like that, I'm not taking chances with how easily underperformers take stuff personally.

Though I will admit the lack of transparency is concerning (and we should have more details at the least - especially what the actual report was), this is purely to avoid retaliation. Which, let's admit, some players would absolutely do.

Also, again, GMs don't just send people to gaols unless they were somewhat toxic. The "constructive criticism" probably was in some aspect.

[Derio]

Pretty sure SE uses FFLOGS to check their homework in terms of job balance