The 7.41 relic step and the Occult Crescent

[Aco505]

The 7.41 relic step requires crystal paste to be collected by doing different duties.

Critical Engagements in the Occult Crescent, in particular, give only 5 paste per completion. The Forked Tower: Blood raid provides no reward at all. OC FATEs don't give anything either.

Why were these choices made? Rewards in the OC should be higher so that there's more reason to do the content.

We could think that FT: B was excluded because it's a hard raid, yet M9-12S, Doomtrain EX and Quantum also provide rewards, similar to how the light step of the HW relic worked.

Being able to obtain crystal paste outside of OC is fine (I did do a mix of Bozja/Zadnor and raids at the time for the ShB relic book step, for instance) but having OC be the objectively worst way to complete it is puzzling when the weapons are related to it.

[Kaurhz]

It's insane to me that levelling roulette is repeatable, offers 20 per run... Comparatively CEs in Occult is 5 per, and between the waiting for it to actually spawn, the few minute gather time and the time taken to actually kill the CE, works out about the same amount of time.

Granted, I don't think I'd even do CEs, even if they were more efficient.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

They are so hell bent on kneecapping progression rate at the centerpiece contents of which you receive the relics from, it's beyond comical. Personally I'd like to see +2 from OC FATEs, +4 from pots, and +9 from CEs. Or whatever the number is. I don't care if OC methods are not the fastest, but I do care when it's easily the worst in the list. Just why?

[Voidmage]

Sometimes I think the repeated ignorance of OC and it's problems as well as the outright refusal to implement feedback to relics the same expansion they come out is simply spite.
I get more and more the feeling that the devs would have loved to axe Field zones and Relics entirely or they are still pissed because their EW relics got so much pushback.

I can't explain this sheer level of ignorance any other way and would even go so far as to say, they never really played OC like their playerbase does.
I'd even go so far and say that the only content they themselves really care about nowadays is hard mode fights and only develop Relic content because they have to.

I like having something to grind but I agree that OC being so bad again as an option is stupid. Though I will still do the relic there out spite of my own.
The complete disregard to implement an option to the Tomestones after that is also "brilliant".

[Kranel_San]

Sometimes I think the repeated ignorance of OC and it's problems as well as the outright refusal to implement feedback to relics the same expansion they come out is simply spite.
I get more and more the feeling that the devs would have loved to axe Field zones and Relics entirely or they are still pissed because their EW relics got so much pushback.

I can't explain this sheer level of ignorance any other way and would even go so far as to say, they never really played OC like their playerbase does.
I'd even go so far and say that the only content they themselves really care about nowadays is hard mode fights and only develop Relic content because they have to.

I like having something to grind but I agree that OC being so bad again as an option is stupid. Though I will still do the relic there out spite of my own.
The complete disregard to implement an option to the Tomestones after that is also "brilliant".

It certainly feels that way giving that crafting zones are receiving much more attention and resources than the field exploration are getting.

[Xieldras]

Sometimes I think the repeated ignorance of OC and it's problems as well as the outright refusal to implement feedback to relics the same expansion they come out is simply spite.
I get more and more the feeling that the devs would have loved to axe Field zones and Relics entirely or they are still pissed because their EW relics got so much pushback.

I can't explain this sheer level of ignorance any other way and would even go so far as to say, they never really played OC like their playerbase does.
I'd even go so far and say that the only content they themselves really care about nowadays is hard mode fights and only develop Relic content because they have to.

I like having something to grind but I agree that OC being so bad again as an option is stupid. Though I will still do the relic there out spite of my own.
The complete disregard to implement an option to the Tomestones after that is also "brilliant".

Really feels like they only want to craft hard boss rushes nowadays and despise everything else.

Maybe I'll take it slow, or use the leveling roulette bonus. I don't know yet.

OC seems definitely like a failed piece of content though. Like the backlash against Forked being so severe they wished to wipe off the entire zone. There is no reason that the relic should be harder to get within its related piece of content!

[Kaurhz]

OC seems definitely like a failed piece of content though. Like the backlash against Forked being so severe they wished to wipe off the entire zone. There is no reason that the relic should be harder to get within its related piece of content!

It largely is failed content, IMO.

I went in there going like "Ah, it's only around 240 CEs, this isn't so bad" -- Completely forgetting the fact that half of the time spent in there is simply... waiting.

There's no need at all to bother with half the things the content offers, because there's generally nothing to offer like with CLL/Dalriada, or even just.. Levelling.

It baffles me that we actually went from the design of Bozja to the design of Occult..

[Gullis]

does anyone know how much you get from doing doomtrain ex?

[conqueringwill]

does anyone know how much you get from doing doomtrain ex?

9. Overall the yields appear to be:

• Expert & Level Cap roulette: 15, with no daily limit
• Leveling roulette: 20, with no daily limit
• OC CEs, except Forked: 5
• Overworld FATEs: 3
• M9-12N (Heavyweight normal): 8
• M9S: 10
• M10S & M11S: 11
• M12S: 18
• Doomtrain EX: 9
• Pilgrim's Traverse: 10/11/12/13/15/17/21/26/26/26 (corresponding to each floorset)
• Quantum: Don't know yet

This is a serious misstep, I agree. Forked Tower gives 4x everything else that a CE gives, why not make it 20? Still wouldn't make the CEs worthwhile, but at least in principle it's better.

[CNitsah]

Sometimes I think the repeated ignorance of OC and it's problems as well as the outright refusal to implement feedback to relics the same expansion they come out is simply spite.
I get more and more the feeling that the devs would have loved to axe Field zones and Relics entirely or they are still pissed because their EW relics got so much pushback.

I can't explain this sheer level of ignorance any other way and would even go so far as to say, they never really played OC like their playerbase does.
I'd even go so far and say that the only content they themselves really care about nowadays is hard mode fights and only develop Relic content because they have to.

I like having something to grind but I agree that OC being so bad again as an option is stupid. Though I will still do the relic there out spite of my own.
The complete disregard to implement an option to the Tomestones after that is also "brilliant".

Because that content is the antithesis of what they want to make with XIV : some kind of mobile game, with the HoYoVerse as their model. They're so into that idea to get that demographic they don't realise those people won't pay for a sub based game that asks to repay the game on every platform you install it on, and where half the quest are not dubbed... They're doing everything they can to alienate the players they have while chasing players that won't reastically have any kind of interest in the XIV.

That said I can somehow understand why FTB gives nothing. It's a failed content that achieve to piss most of the community off. The entry conditions are so stupid in every aspect, that they probably feared that making it THE way to go would just have angered players and relaunched the backlash about how this content is meant for only a small part of the players.