You might as well add an official DPS log to the game...

[Themarvin]

I remember a time in MMO's where you did not have to do these things and seriously had to focus on the fights and look what them bosses do and do not.... and having a bigger pool of better players to do content with than what you see in the parser era... and mostly due to a bigger pool of people without these tools available simply just had to get things done and where willing to actually be able to play the full boss mechanics and similar.

You quickly learned and got the idea of you needed to pass this or that thing, and to know your class and the likes, that game was not overly complicated having 20 or more buttons, but having to be way more firm on reaction to the bosses reactions instead, or would be dead... it is really sad that much of it today is more about joining some kind of science room... in a figure of speech.

[Zakuyia]

or here me out Ban people for kicking without reason. I mean if your gonna kick people without telling them i believe you should receive a ban for kicking people without justifiable reasoning. Besides what are you gonna do admit your using a third party tool to judge someone unfairly. At that point either make a private group or let people try and then remove them but tell them they are not a great fit for the run and need to work on mechanics before they can prog at this point. Using a third party tool to judge someone is unfair. It took a bit but i did Black cat / honey bee/ brute bomber never did savage before but i tried and that worked. People in this community are weird if your that hung up on people parse stop using party finder and just use discord / reddit to find your people :3

[theunhappypotato]

or here me out Ban people for kicking without reason. I mean if your gonna kick people without telling them i believe you should receive a ban for kicking people without justifiable reasoning. Besides what are you gonna do admit your using a third party tool to judge someone unfairly. At that point either make a private group or let people try and then remove them but tell them they are not a great fit for the run and need to work on mechanics before they can prog at this point. Using a third party tool to judge someone is unfair. It took a bit but i did Black cat / honey bee/ brute bomber never did savage before but i tried and that worked. People in this community are weird if your that hung up on people parse stop using party finder and just use discord / reddit to find your people :3

this is one of the most insane things i have ever read on these forums lmao

[Carstien]

or here me out Ban people for kicking without reason. I mean if your gonna kick people without telling them i believe you should receive a ban for kicking people without justifiable reasoning. Besides what are you gonna do admit your using a third party tool to judge someone unfairly. At that point either make a private group or let people try and then remove them but tell them they are not a great fit for the run and need to work on mechanics before they can prog at this point. Using a third party tool to judge someone is unfair. It took a bit but i did Black cat / honey bee/ brute bomber never did savage before but i tried and that worked. People in this community are weird if your that hung up on people parse stop using party finder and just use discord / reddit to find your people :3

Just because a group or PF leader doesn't tell you their reasoning does not mean it isn't justifiable. They have no reason to tell you since telling you can get them banned, the safer option is just to remove you and it will never be a bannable offence to just do that. That's a pretty crazy opinion to have, you aren't entitled to be in any given party but your own. People can play with who they want to play with, you're not a ball and chain they have to bear.

[Connor]

They have no reason to tell you since telling you can get them banned, the safer option is just to remove you and it will never be a bannable offence to just do that.

I see this mentioned literally all the time yet I’ve not seen/heard of a single player ever being banned for saying ‘Sorry but you’re taking too many damage downs and holding the party back, we have to remove you’ or ‘this isn’t going to work out because we’re on different prog points’.

You can absolutely tell someone why you’re kicking them, you just can’t be a dick about it lol. Again I’ve yet to see any actual evidence of any player ever being literally banned from the game for…removing another party member from the group and conveying that information to them (in a reasonable way)

[Moqi]

I see this mentioned literally all the time yet I’ve not seen/heard of a single player ever being banned for saying ‘Sorry but you’re taking too many damage downs and holding the party back, we have to remove you’ or ‘this isn’t going to work out because we’re on different prog points’.

Because there is a not low chance of them arguing back and no one wants to deal with that. Kick them out, block them and move on. If you don't have the self awereness to understand why you're the problem... too bad for you. Everyone else is playing to have fun, not to argue with a stranger about their performance.

[Connor]

Because there is a not low chance of them arguing back and no one wants to deal with that. Kick them out, block them and move on. If you don't have the self awereness to understand why you're the problem... too bad for you. Everyone else is playing to have fun, not to argue with a stranger about their performance.

What does that have to do with being banned for kicking someone from a party and telling them why though? Nor does it address the fact that nobody has ever actually seen such a thing happen to a player (banned for removing party members for reasonable infractions despite simply making a statement of fact). I feel like you’re replying to an entirely different post.

If the ‘kick-ee’ is starting that sort of thing they can literally be reported? I mean, the only difference is that if you actually tell them why you’re kicking them before you block them there’s like a 1% chance they might actually take it on board and improve and suddenly you have 1 less prog liar running around ruining peoples raids.

Like, we’re really wondering why there’s so many ‘prog liars’ when they’re all being wordlessly kicked from parties? Especially when people can so frequently overreach/overestimate their ability to clear. Isn’t this essentially contributing to the problem? Everytime you kick/block someone wordlessly without feedback aren’t you just risking creating another prog liar?
‘Why tell them anything when I could be kicked without warning again I’ll just stay quiet and hope for the best’. It’s wrong and selfish, sure, but how often does that actually stop people lol

[Xieldras]

I see this mentioned literally all the time yet I’ve not seen/heard of a single player ever being banned for saying ‘Sorry but you’re taking too many damage downs and holding the party back, we have to remove you’ or ‘this isn’t going to work out because we’re on different prog points’.

You can absolutely tell someone why you’re kicking them, you just can’t be a dick about it lol. Again I’ve yet to see any actual evidence of any player ever being literally banned from the game for…removing another party member from the group and conveying that information to them (in a reasonable way)

I'm always a tad suspicious whenever I see stories on the forums or subreddits in the vein of "I gave them good advice nicely and then got banned for it!". GMs have the chat logs available to them and giving out a ban means more than likely that you were not kind within chat.

They'll even contact you by tell and maybe throw you in the gaol to hear your side of the story before resorting to a ban or any punishment.

[Connor]

I'm always a tad suspicious whenever I see stories on the forums or subreddits in the vein of "I gave them good advice nicely and then got banned for it!". GMs have the chat logs available to them and giving out a ban means more than likely that you were not kind within chat.

They'll even contact you by tell and maybe throw you in the gaol to hear your side of the story before resorting to a ban or any punishment.

Right? Being thrown in Gaol, sure, we’ve seen/heard of plenty of times where that happened, screenshots etc lol. But making a reasonable statement to another party member and suddenly getting a full-on ban from the game? Every player that ever used the chat log would have been banned from the game by now if that were the case (that might hurt profits just a little lol)

[Moqi]

Everytime you kick/block someone wordlessly without feedback aren’t you just risking creating another prog liar?

If the kicked person lacks the self awareness to reflect on their performance and keeps joining parties they have no business being a part of, you can't blame their poor/dishonest behaviour on anybody but themselves.