Feedback on Frontline balance – tanks are too oppressive

[Valence]

6 players isn't enough to kill melees reliably to begin with, so imagine a tank with rampart up...

[ThreeBeastSmile]

Tanks needs nerfhammer both in PvP and PvE. Last frontline, 6 players trying to kill a Paladin and the Paladin survived.

Only 6? I mean it's possible to fight and kill vs that many lackadaisical players as a melee (not talking about SAM LB) so... yeah only 6?

I dunno though, I feel like tanks should be durable in mass pvp like that by virtue of what they are you know? It's if they can slowly whittle down multiple people with little risk to themselves is when it becomes a problem; if they can be "immortal" yet kill with little effort vs a clump alone. If they just exist to debuff and die then it's just not a good feeling innit, tank usage will crash dramatically as who wants to be that whipping boy that exists to set the table with no tip? (Maybe some are into that idk). Then you'd only see them in premades because it's too rough in the solo queue.

Anyway, y u attack pld?!??!?? REEEEEEEEEEE!! Punt away!! Attack squishies!! Y u do?!??!?!?

Or just do enough to force them away then pretend they don't exist... just please stop attacking the tanks over other better targets. Trust me they're out there, it's not all tanks I swear. Look over their shoulders, they're right there.

ED: I am not a tank main right now. /disclaimer

[SalamanderIX]

The main troubles I've seen is Gunbreaker because of the Fated Circle is insanely strong, you combine it with Rampage+LB and the job absolutely slays. Everybody is playing it now because it's sort of unrivaled.

It's not just tanks though, Viper is basically as good as a tank (and better than some) thanks to the Scales+Bloodbath combo, You'd have more luck trying to take out a Paladin. I've seen Vipers dive into a entire alliance and get away with being focused down, and live.
Pretty over-tuned in CC as well, but in Frontline it becomes far worse.

[Ankhira]

The main troubles I've seen is Gunbreaker because of the Fated Circle is insanely strong, you combine it with Rampage+LB and the job absolutely slays. Everybody is playing it now because it's sort of unrivaled.

It's not just tanks though, Viper is basically as good as a tank (and better than some) thanks to the Scales+Bloodbath combo, You'd have more luck trying to take out a Paladin. I've seen Vipers dive into a entire alliance and get away with being focused down, and live.
Pretty over-tuned in CC as well, but in Frontline it becomes far worse.

Yeah, VPR is starting to catch on, I'm seeing more and more in FL lately on top of GNB spam, it's just miserable. One more game tomorrow and I'm lvl 25 at least. Then I can not bother with this mode until 7.5.

[ThreeBeastSmile]

Yeah, VPR is starting to catch on, I'm seeing more and more in FL lately on top of GNB spam, it's just miserable. One more game tomorrow and I'm lvl 25 at least. Then I can not bother with this mode until 7.5.

Yet VPR (and GNB) are two of the easiest jobs to gotcha Chiten trap with a SAM. In the VPR's case you're not even dealing with a random stun that may make it through regardless. Yes there are those dumb snow wards to contend with on the new map, but it's still viable. I'm surprised there isn't an uptick in targeted SAM usage considering that (though I can hear the groans from over here).

[MayuAmakura]

Yet VPR (and GNB) are two of the easiest jobs to gotcha Chiten trap with a SAM. In the VPR's case you're not even dealing with a random stun that may make it through regardless. Yes there are those dumb snow wards to contend with on the new map, but it's still viable. I'm surprised there isn't an uptick in targeted SAM usage considering that (though I can hear the groans from over here).

Just be careful with sam lb as in frontline it is easy to negate this with many shields and effects. A lot of classes nowdays bait sam's lb as they have a shield to negate you.

[ThreeBeastSmile]

Just watch for the shields then, it's not like they're permanently on demand are they? They have cooldowns just the same, just another tit for tat affair that goes either way. I have no problem getting around them personally.

Anyway, it was just a heads up because sometimes the tone do be getting too despairing when it comes to 123 fare around 'ere, when there are some solutions, and VPR really is that simple to checkmate once locked into 'Scales unless they have some attentive support. /shrug