You might as well add an official DPS log to the game...

[TwiceDamned]

There exists no future in which raiding scene in XIV does not use dps meters, having one built-in into the game would only bring information parity to all players. Again, I strongly recommend watching that Dan Olson's talk (which given the timeline of responses you haven't). Requiring that other people use food, pots, and perform somewhat competently at their job is itself not toxic, but refusing to adhere to those social norms and still expecting to do high end content is. There is a level of pettiness at which this becomes unhealthy (which Olson also covers), to say nothing of language that players can sometimes employ, but it's much easier for a company to control and police the language people use in game, than it is to control or police social norms they develop.

Then you report people who don't.

In fact, to respond to the "we don't want people to tell you to uninstall", that's EXACTLY what the "It's Rude To Suck At..." crowd is demanding, and the TOS of FFXIV would back it up if it didn't require actions and mechanisms contrary to same.

In that world, it would not only be rude, but, because it is rude, it would also be illegal.

[Bubert]

How about no?
SE should shut websites like this all together.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Oh yeah, sure. Let's all disband quietly & nicely, then add the problematic players' names into some public burn/avoid list, because that's totally ain't gonna happen beyond the curtain. You won't even know whether you're blacklisted in-game.

/s

[theunhappypotato]

Then you report the "bad player" for obstructing you.

why would i go through all the efford it is to report a person in this game or any game when i can just kick em out of my party without saying a word and waiting for the next person to join

[Mercury_Grey]

Honestly too people stress over "you don't hit this part of the lparse or logs" you msut not be a good player. Its liek teh act add on. TOo many people stress over dps numbers "what was my dps at? hwo much damage did i deal?" like really we are doing a trial at content and call outs, and you are worry about your DPS numbers. I hav ekicked people who go we arent dealing the right damage "X needs ot have better gear" so i kicked them after warning them about stressing over numbers

[Mercury_Grey]

Oh yeah, sure. Let's all disband quietly & nicely, then add the problematic players' names into some public burn/avoid list, because that's totally ain't gonna happen beyond the curtain. You won't even know whether you're blacklisted in-game.

/s

actually if you are blacklisted by taht person and you try to join the pf you get a message window popping up that you can't join that PF

[TwiceDamned]

Oh yeah, sure. Let's all disband quietly & nicely, then add the problematic players' names into some public burn/avoid list, because that's totally ain't gonna happen beyond the curtain. You won't even know whether you're blacklisted in-game.

/s

Personally, I'd rather be shadow-blacklisted by people like you.

[TwiceDamned]

why would i go through all the efford it is to report a person in this game or any game when i can just kick em out of my party without saying a word and waiting for the next person to join

Because the person has obstructed your gameplay and progress through the TOS.

[Doomfist]

This raid tier, particularly M10S, has radicalized me into firmly believing that yes, logging should be officially implemented/allowed and even made mandatory for all players in high end content. Tomestone should effectively be added to the game itself, and you should be able to right-click on someone in party finder to see their prog point for a given fight. You should not be allowed to hide this information. Party Finder should have features to automatically filter players from even joining your party based on their prog point similar to item level requirements.

I agree that logging should be implemented in the game just so non-modders and console players can record their prog. But I don't think PF should be able to restrict based on prog point. Some players are able to simply study future mechanics, and prog lie their way to enrage while making few or no mistakes. I know one player who prog lied through arena split and ecliptic in M11S, by studying those easy mechanics and quickly reaching enrage, and he was able to clear the fight the day after.

Though one way to vet whether the PF got a 'prog liar' who is studious and consistent, the in game logging system should also record the number of deaths for each pull, and to what attack.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

actually if you are blacklisted by taht person and you try to join the pf you get a message window popping up that you can't join that PF

Do they? Now that's quite an improvement to the system, I'll say that much. But my point stands: if X player is problematic enough (whether thru 'funny numbers' or in general), they will be shunned regardless through other means. Leaving or disbanding quietly and nicely are not to be taken as "you're not the problem", it just means that the offender would have less precise idea what could be causing that. I get that such tools really aren't being used as wisely as they should (I would oppose it, too), but these 'offenders' also needs to find out to have better chances at rectifying themselves. The community SE fostered renders this means of improvement too muddled to be conducive, henceforth are we surprised that people starts gatekeeping to look after their own sanity?