You might as well add an official DPS log to the game...

[Thaciscokidd]

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That the thing about it. People are always gonna find a way to vet people out of raids for simplicity, lack of wanting to teach new players, etc. Meters being gone isn't going to help the situation. It'll just shift the goal post and a new ruler will be pulled out (ie Item Level, Achievement, Signed note from the boss saying that you totally cleared beat him within 37% of his life).

[theunhappypotato]

That the thing about it. People are always gonna find a way to vet people out of raids for simplicity, lack of wanting to teach new players, etc. Meters being gone isn't going to help the situation. It'll just shift the goal post and a new ruler will be pulled out (ie Item Level, Achievement, Signed note from the boss saying that you totally cleared beat him within 37% of his life).

yea toxic people will always find a way yto be toxic, and i'm still baffled that in a game where dps matters so much that we dont have any build in dps meters atleast in higher content, or ways to exclude players out of our pf's that arent at your own progpoint

[Shistar]

I like the idea of being able to filter PFs by prog point, but how would the game know you're at XYZ prog point and can do it vs. having limped to it/not able to do it consistently?
DPS meters are good when it is for self-improvement. Anything else I see as waiting to be used as a weapon against other players, honestly... I think getting a little rating or tips at the end of your dungeon/raid would be nice, but I don't expect anything crazy since their Hall of the Novice is extremely basic and will pass you even if you didn't do too well. As long as you don't die, which is hard to do in such a controlled environment like a tutorial, you pass. I expect their rating/tips to be no more complex than that if they were to add it.

[Miradelle]

you aren't entitled to a spot in a strangers group though? sure you can disagree with why you were removed but it's their pf no? not a fan, make your own starting at your prog point? i don't get the issue.

This is exactly the kind of mentality why no one wants to raid anymore. Can't even join a dungeon party without someone checking out your tomestone profile (against my consent) and excluding you from the party, because you didn't meet some arbitrary line in the sand that doesn't exist in the game. People used to operate on trust and common decency, now it's all about numbers and efficiency, with no fun to be had. I am not entitled to a spot, so if they have an in-game reason to remove me, then fine. But they used data from third party programs to unfairly eliminate me from the battle before it even had begun before I even had the chance to prove that I am fit to be there. Also, I'm so sick of telling someone else to make their own party, like as if we don't have jobs and lives to live. I don't have the time to sit in party waiting for it to fill.

[Jeeqbit]

Can't even join a dungeon party without someone checking

excluding you from the party

I have never experienced this in a dungeon... I think you are exaggerating.

[Rithy255]

This is exactly the kind of mentality why no one wants to raid anymore. Can't even join a dungeon party without someone checking out your tomestone profile (against my consent) and excluding you from the party, because you didn't meet some arbitrary line in the sand that doesn't exist in the game. People used to operate on trust and common decency, now it's all about numbers and efficiency, with no fun to be had. I am not entitled to a spot, so if they have an in-game reason to remove me, then fine. But they used data from third party programs to unfairly eliminate me from the battle before it even had begun before I even had the chance to prove that I am fit to be there. Also, I'm so sick of telling someone else to make their own party, like as if we don't have jobs and lives to live. I don't have the time to sit in party waiting for it to fill.

Actually I think your mentality is way worse, considering you think people should put up with someone who hasn't reached a prog point. Anyone is in the right to remove you if In the PF it says "you need to reach X Point" and you haven't reached that point yet.

People do have lives and jobs, they don't have time to waste because someone doesn't know what they're doing, which if you havent got to the point they're asking for is more then likely.

If you can't find any pfs at your exact point or dont want to make one, then you can always help out people a bit behind and hopefully get to your point anyway, Instead of expecting everyone else to do that for you despite the PF not wanting anyone who is behind that point.

[Gwenkatsu]

Can't even join a dungeon party without someone checking out your tomestone profile (against my consent) and excluding you from the party, because you didn't meet some arbitrary line in the sand that doesn't exist in the game.

A dungeon party. Checking your profile. Sure, my dude, sure...
The trolls are getting so lazy these days.

[Valence]

I wonder how all of this could happen with scripted fights, I am shooketh

[zarahleo]

I joined a practice party the other day for m9s, I had already been to enrage multi times on that character with friends, I had already cleared m9s on an alt too, we dont use logging mods.

The leader of the party kicked us because tomestone said only 50% progress, he admitted this. I said "you do realise not every run is logged right?" He said "weak excuse, everyone logs".

The whole thing is toxic crap.
People who think like this need banned forever, the game would only get better by doing so.

[Voidmage]

Back in my day, people kicked you after they saw you underperform, now they can do it beforehand.
Guess judging with your own eyes is too hard for some people nowadays so they run to Tomestone to get their written report to act upon, just to blindly follow a raidplan and thinking they are good at a video game.

Didn't expect Minority Report to start in a video game...