Ban Service Accounts with more than 1 FC house

[Aidorouge]

wish more of ya'll would visit the housing section of the forum lol we really need more passionate personalities there to push back against the housing elitists who keep infesting it and white knighting SE's terrible housing systems.

I tried at some point, but kept getting shouted down by them about how I "already had it made/could easily grab more, so why would I complain on someone else's behalf/ruin it for myself" because empathy is just not something most (if any) house hoarders are capable of it seems, and it was rather appalling to have them suggest I become one of them just because the opportunity was there on Maduin.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I don't think some people appreciate the positive side of the ward system, purely instanced housing is not all that social as compared to wards. Unless SE can do something like WoW where they allow FC's to have their own wards that members can fill I don't see something like the Island Sanctuary but housing actually landing that well overall. Most people wouldn't engage with it I think. I'm not against instanced housing coming to the game, but I have no desire for them to kill wards off. They allow for organic social experiences that instanced housing doesn't due to the barriers to actually getting into them. Would much rather have both systems, I've seen in other games nobody interact with the housing cause it's instanced and nobody else sees their home unless they are online and invite peoples specifically. People forget a lot of MMO players enjoy their work and achievments being viewable by other players and it being a motivating factor in gameplay. Not to mention just hanging out in a ward and bumping into people is fun, something we wouldn't have in instanced housing as the wards are always up whereas instanced housing wouldn't be.

My main wish atm would be much greater item limit caps on current houses, I can't decorate any of my mansions properly without walling off an entire floor and I think the extra 100 items(?) they will be soon adding won't change much on that front. Cottages will be great for decorating though, they have the best item limit/space ratio I would say. We have hundreds of lovely items I would like to make use of, we need more item limit for that. I don't think mansions will feel well decorated across all three floors without 1,000 item limit honestly.

As ever, removing achievements players worked for at random due to a tiny subset of people crying will only kill trust that FFXIV is a game worth putting long term time and effort into. Any MMORPG you can't trust to respect the time you've put in will go the way of the dodo. Deservedly so.

[Xylira]

I don't think some people appreciate the positive side of the ward system, purely instanced housing is not all that social as compared to wards.

Having previously owned a house for a while, I barely ever saw my neighbors, and even more rarely did I ever interact with them because almost every time I saw them they were either standing around AFK in their yard or immediately running into their house.

Yes, the ward system theoretically can be more social, but in practice, at least that I've seen, it really isn't because people play at all different hours and are generally less interested with interacting with their neighbors. Honestly if we're going to have wards, a much better system would be to allow players to relocate into their own instanced ward with their friends and FC mates. Beyond that SE should just add instanced housing, it's no less social than the current apartment system anyways, which most players are stuck with.

As for the issue with house hoarding, it needs to just end. Regardless of any justification trying to defend it, at the end of the day it's a small number of players hoarding a finite in-game resource, often for a stupid reason such as being able to gil farm with subs, and as a result it deprives other players from a certain aspect of the game. This is just bad game design, pure and simple. Ideally SE would just add proper instanced housing, but moving subs out of FC housing and/or adding penalties or restrictions for having multiple FC houses on a single service account would be a step in the right direction.

[TaleraRistain]

SE can adjust rules for the future but as another poster mentioned some pages ago, there's no better way to shatter trust with your playerbase than to punish them when they didn't do anything wrong. If the game is allowing them to pass an FC house a character on the same account, then the action is permissible. I believe they tried to limit to just one FC house on a server but that was hurting people with alts in different FCs who did not have housing rights in all of them because the rule was counting the house as "theirs" for just being in the FC. So I believe they relaxed that rule after pushback. Trust is also the reason they grandfathered players in. Because those players were not breaking any rules at the time of their actions.

Really only instanced housing is going to solve the problem. Then every character can have their own housing area. Short of that, there's always going to be some manner of scarcity.

[s32ialx]

SE can adjust rules for the future but as another poster mentioned some pages ago, there's no better way to shatter trust with your playerbase than to punish them when they didn't do anything wrong. If the game is allowing them to pass an FC house a character on the same account, then the action is permissible. I believe they tried to limit to just one FC house on a server but that was hurting people with alts in different FCs who did not have housing rights in all of them because the rule was counting the house as "theirs" for just being in the FC. So I believe they relaxed that rule after pushback. Trust is also the reason they grandfathered players in. Because those players were not breaking any rules at the time of their actions.

Really only instanced housing is going to solve the problem. Then every character can have their own housing area. Short of that, there's always going to be some manner of scarcity.

As I said before (Just cause the system is flawed does NOT justify it's abuse. Been playing since beta 2013, and I did NOT abuse the system just cause "I could" We also didn't have bidding it was first come first serve back then.

Flaws do not justify abuse)

It is very clearly stated in the rules "You many only purchase and MAINTAIN one Private Plot and ONE Free Company Plot PER World PER Service ACCOUNT"

[Aelin_Ashryver]

As I said before (Just cause the system is flawed does NOT justify it's abuse. Been playing since beta 2013, and I did NOT abuse the system just cause "I could" We also didn't have bidding it was first come first serve back then.

Flaws do not justify abuse)

It is very clearly stated in the rules "You many only purchase and MAINTAIN one Private Plot and ONE Free Company Plot PER World PER Service ACCOUNT"

No players were abusing anything, it's not like a system was bugged and people took advantage, everything was and is literally working as intended and players worked within those rules.

Just because you feel like it was abuse, doesn't mean it is. Players working within a flawed system, is not abuse. And they should not be punished for it. End of story lol.

[neia]

Greedy players with more than one FC plot should be forced to relinquish their excess plots.

That’s what this thread is about

[Mouthbone]

Gamers when they realize that Square is more than likely aware of all the people with 90 shell FCs but simply doesn't care enough to do anything about it or does not see an issue with it
It is what it is

[hynaku]

Should make it where any FC with less than 4 members gets auto disbanded after 48 hours.

[s32ialx]

No players were abusing anything, it's not like a system was bugged and people took advantage, everything was and is literally working as intended and players worked within those rules.

Just because you feel like it was abuse, doesn't mean it is. Players working within a flawed system, is not abuse. And they should not be punished for it. End of story lol.

Listen you can claim all you want that players were not abusing it the rules are CLEARLY WRITTEN. you can CLAIM all you want they were not abusing it, but they were the RULES ARE CLEAR.
It is very clearly stated in the rules "You many only purchase and MAINTAIN ONE Free Company Plot PER World PER Service ACCOUNT"