Ban Service Accounts with more than 1 FC house

[Burmecia]

Likewise, accusing others of “personal attacks” while repeatedly calling people liars, spiteful, and jealous isn’t engaging with arguments - it’s projection.

Mmm no. Sierra is just kinda telling it straight. At least they seem to know how this forum just works:
Now and then here comes house-wanters full of piss and vinegar about the terrible injustice of houselessness they endure. So they make thread and air their frustrations, often with some anger spit towards people having what they want . Usual internet discussion happens; agreements, disagreements, bad and worse ideas, yelling burying any decent comments under their weigh.

In best case they get lucky, get house and suddenly the whole tone shifts. House-wanter has become house-haver by baptism of fire.
In neutral case they give up, don't win house and disappear. World keeps spinning and forum waits the arrival of the next unsuccesful (so far) house-wanter.
This is that kinda samsara i suppose.

[Kitsu]

They should honestly just change submarines to be accessible from the Grand Company headquarters and then reduce the amount of gil you get back from them. So many people are sitting on empty, locked houses just for free gil.

[neia]

This would fix a lot of the issue for sure. But we've also discovered greedy housing mains from this thread that believe it's their right to hoard these assets for their own enjoyment too.

[Tyintheron]

This would fix a lot of the issue for sure. But we've also discovered greedy housing mains from this thread that believe it's their right to hoard these assets for their own enjoyment too.

There are ways you could have a house IN THIS VERY ROUND pretty much guaranteed, and you can either follow the advice about it OR you can say the system is bad and choose not to have a house. It's entirely up to you whether you want to use the tools available to you to get the house, and that comes down to how much of a priority housing is for you and your guild.

And all of that is - again - entirely up to you.

If you'd like, I can message you the server and ward/plot number of a small that's been available on my (allegedly) busy Aether Data Center for the past 12-odd bidding cycles. I can almost guarantee you'd have no opposition.

That said - I think EVERYBODY agrees the system, as it stands, is bad. My personal opinion is that if you want your Warrior main to have a house they run an arena from and a crafter alt who wants to run a house as a boutique or whatever else, you should be able to. One house per account for an account that can have 8 characters per server seems like 1/8th of the houses you should be allowed to have, to me.

And that's just an issue of not enough housing on demand. The only real solution to that problem - to preserve wards AND have housing for all - is for Square to figure out how to spin up new wards as others fill.

But Burmecia up there is on the money. For those of us who have been around this particular block many, many times by now, here's how it goes:

* "I want a house but can't get one! Therefore, people with more than one house are the issue!"
* "There are plenty of available houses on my server, if you want to switch?"
* "I shouldn't have to switch servers! Boot people from their houses on MY server!"
* "There's an uncontested small on your server this round that I found for you."
* "I don't want a small!"
* "There's an open medium, on your server, with zero bids on it, in the Goblet."
* "Ew, the Goblet!"

...etc, etc, up until the point they post about how happy they are they finally got the house they wanted and the "ban everyone with more than one house" crusade typically comes to an end.

That's why a lot of people in the know find the "I can't get a house! Any house at all!" argument a bit on the nose. You'll find that a lot of people who own more than one house don't stick to the "it needs to check all my boxes" attitude to get houses. It's probably fair to say that most of us I've seen (and I'm using "most of us" to broadly speak about people I've seen speaking about multi-ownership, for all its reasons - RP, Gil farming, owning their dream plot) have switched servers to get either their first, or more than one house.

But I think we can agree that "not enough houses" should even be a problem to begin with - which is a good reason the system needs to change.

[neia]

There are ways you could have a house IN THIS VERY ROUND pretty much guaranteed, and you can either follow the advice about it OR you can say the system is bad and choose not to have a house. It's entirely up to you whether you want to use the tools available to you to get the house, and that comes down to how much of a priority housing is for you and your guild.

And all of that is - again - entirely up to you.

If you'd like, I can message you the server and ward/plot number of a small that's been available on my (allegedly) busy Aether Data Center for the past 12-odd bidding cycles. I can almost guarantee you'd have no opposition.

That said - I think EVERYBODY agrees the system, as it stands, is bad. My personal opinion is that if you want your Warrior main to have a house they run an arena from and a crafter alt who wants to run a house as a boutique or whatever else, you should be able to. One house per account for an account that can have 8 characters per server seems like 1/8th of the houses you should be allowed to have, to me.

And that's just an issue of not enough housing on demand. The only real solution to that problem - to preserve wards AND have housing for all - is for Square to figure out how to spin up new wards as others fill.

But Burmecia up there is on the money. For those of us who have been around this particular block many, many times by now, here's how it goes:

* "I want a house but can't get one! Therefore, people with more than one house are the issue!"
* "There are plenty of available houses on my server, if you want to switch?"
* "I shouldn't have to switch servers! Boot people from their houses on MY server!"
* "There's an uncontested small on your server this round that I found for you."
* "I don't want a small!"
* "There's an open medium, on your server, with zero bids on it, in the Goblet."
* "Ew, the Goblet!"

...etc, etc, up until the point they post about how happy they are they finally got the house they wanted and the "ban everyone with more than one house" crusade typically comes to an end.

That's why a lot of people in the know find the "I can't get a house! Any house at all!" argument a bit on the nose. You'll find that a lot of people who own more than one house don't stick to the "it needs to check all my boxes" attitude to get houses. It's probably fair to say that most of us I've seen (and I'm using "most of us" to broadly speak about people I've seen speaking about multi-ownership, for all its reasons - RP, Gil farming, owning their dream plot) have switched servers to get either their first, or more than one house.

But I think we can agree that "not enough houses" should even be a problem to begin with - which is a good reason the system needs to change.

I'm talking about FC plots in this thread, not private housing. Thanks for the suggestions though. Unfortunately none of your points are relevant to thread due to your confusion here.

[Tyintheron]

I'm talking about FC plots in this thread, not private housing. Thanks for the suggestions though. Unfortunately none of your points are relevant to thread due to your confusion here.

I'm talking about FC plots, as well. Which is why I mentioned it being up to whether or not housing was a "we'll move servers" priority for you and your guild.

[neia]

I'm talking about FC plots, as well. Which is why I mentioned it being up to whether or not housing was a "we'll move servers" priority for you and your guild.

There's literally no worlds on the region I play on where this is not an issue. The entire guild is not moving regions to play on 250+ ping. Not sure what region, datacenter, and worlds you're suggesting either.
There's only 5 worlds in this region, and every single one is affected by the issues I've raised in this thread.

[Tyintheron]

There's literally no worlds on the region I play on where this is not an issue. The entire guild is not moving regions to play on 250+ ping. Not sure what region, datacenter, and worlds you're suggesting either.
There's only 5 worlds in this region, and every single one is affected by the issues I've raised in this thread.

It does look like a gnarly situation over there.

With that said, I'd say that "can we open up more wards to be combo FC/individual" might be an easier ask than the name-calling and asking for swathes of players to get banned. And, even if that were to happen, nothing outside of a re-work to spin up new instances on demand is going to offer a permanent solution.

[neia]

Nothing outside of a re-work to spin up new instances on demand is going to offer a permanent solution.

Depends what you're framing the issue as.

Simply put, a one FC house per service account hard limit would solve the issue overnight here, if retroactively applied to the people who have hoarded them for themselves.

Everyone wants a housing rework/instanced housing. Obviously. That's obvious & been repeated numerous times.

Also realistically no ones calling for players to get banned, I'm calling for forced relinquishment of excess plots. (They should be able to choose which one to keep).

[ShadowyZero]

wish more of ya'll would visit the housing section of the forum lol we really need more passionate personalities there to push back against the housing elitists who keep infesting it and white knighting SE's terrible housing systems.