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  1. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korrcen View Post
    I have a toddler, so it took me like 6 months to go through Shadowbringers. Random characters fell through the cracks besides people like Ryne.
    Random characters? Chai Nuzz is an important character throughout multiple arcs in Shadowbringers. An entire big event before a big dungeon revolves around him. Sounds like you don't actually know the story very well at all...
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  2. #112
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonkittie View Post
    This, please.

    I play with JP voices, and her JP VA really done the best she can, sadly it wasn't enough to save the character of Wuk Lamat. I played through ARR-EW 5 times and never missed a cutscene, but playing DT the second time.. nope, I just couldn't do it, I skipped every cutscene with Wuk Lamat in it. It's not only that she's everywhere and everything seems to revovle around her, which is extremly tiresome by itself, but as a character she's written very immaturly and resembles more a fanfiction character than a legitime part of FFXIV story. The whole expension MSQ felt like "playing safe", without any real painful consequenses, which is not how I felt with previous MSQs.

    They really need to delete her from further story arcs, please.
    Holy over exaggeration. It's a shame y'all are so far into your own made up fantasy stories that you refuse to have a proper conversation based in reality. To pretend like Wuk is on screen more than other characters in the game is to outright lie and anyone that has actually played the game and payed attention to the story knows that.

    Y'all really should know it's only you and other disengeous people like you that believe this BS. Everyone else who doesn't come into these horrid forums doesn't talk about the story like this at all. Mentors across all DCs, sprouts, random players, they all talk about the expansion like normal because it is normal. These complaints only come from y'all because you make it up in your heads and then come to the forums to make other disengeous people pretend like your complaints are valid. Vocal minority and all that.
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  3. #113
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    I really enjoyed Dawntrail. Sometimes it gets so tiring being the main focus. Emet said travel, and so we did. Of course this new land would have it's own story not revolving around us. At first Wuk Lamat seemed very childish, but that was the point, to show how events had her grow up rather quickly. I really enjoyed the interactions between her and Koana and how they grew closer.
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  4. #114
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpookyKobold View Post
    Mentors across all DCs, sprouts, random players, they all talk about the expansion like normal because it is normal. These complaints only come from y'all because you make it up in your heads and then come to the forums to make other disengeous people pretend like your complaints are valid. Vocal minority and all that.
    Citation Needed? The last time someone asked about DT in NN, it was immediately responded with "lmao" and "Play it and form your own opinion". People, despite their grievances, aren't going to go out of their way to be toxic about it because that's not what this game is about. It's part of the game now and we have to deal with it.
    I'm not going to pretend to be a novelist nor am I'm going out of my way to convince people who believe otherwise, but Wuk Lamat is a textbook example of how to not write a leading character. No one is exaggerating about how "Wuk Lamat is always on screen" because when just about every single scene throughout the main story focuses so heavily on her and her contribution to the story, you'd think the camera was glued to her collar bone along with the lead writer. There are numerous breakdowns and reviews highlighting all these problems, some literally hours long.
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    Last edited by DBug; 12-16-2025 at 07:10 PM.

  5. #115
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaUK View Post
    I really enjoyed Dawntrail. Sometimes it gets so tiring being the main focus. Emet said travel, and so we did. Of course this new land would have it's own story not revolving around us. At first Wuk Lamat seemed very childish, but that was the point, to show how events had her grow up rather quickly. I really enjoyed the interactions between her and Koana and how they grew closer.
    Refreshing to read a reply like this.

    I enjoyed it too. Yeah, Wuk Lamat was over-used (and then some) and it certainly had some pacing issues - but I've definitely played worse!

    However, some players really do act as if Wuk Lamat pee'd in their breakfast, kicked their dog and stole their girlfriend!
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  6. #116
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpookyKobold View Post
    EVERYONE is hating because of the VA. They'll lie to your face that that isn't the case, and then spout off some BS about the story (that they likely haven't even read) that contradicts itself and the actual text of the story (again because they haven't read it, but listened to some transphobe on youtube recount the story badly, one has already been posted in this thread too). They really sit there and say things like "Wuk Lamat just had a party instead of fixing the tribes wilting crops!" like y'all didn't pay ANY attention to the story did you, cause that ain't anywhere close to what happened.
    "Everyone" is a stretch. i play with JP va's so i literally don't care
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  7. #117
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    My fault is with the writers and how they injected her like crack into every other sentence in the expansion, somehow.
    Didn't really hate the VA because I have no idea who they are, there was the meme bit with Sphene that got changed and that's all I recall.
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    I like the potential of mentoring a stuck-up royalty who doesn't understand the working of places outside their home palace, which is what I believe was the original intention by the writer. I however don't like how they handled it. I think what they did instead was doing a disservice to the character & also undermining the integrity of the world because now everything has to operate under the skewed limitation of "Wuk Lamat has to get the glory and be liked by 90% characters in the story!" without a coherent build up. One example in mind currently while I wrote this:
    Wuk Lamat claimed to live in Tuliyollal her whole life (we are told so), but writer proceeds to demonstrate how she
    1. Never knew about basic greeting of the Hanus while also citing that she had been to Kozama'uka before;
    2. That Pelupelu charges for trading an information/anything (while also being a friend with Ropli???), AND;
    3. She never knew anything about the potsworn while a DoH (I forgot that male wildwood elezen's name, starts with F I think) who only came to Tuliyollal on a boat together with us already know what that is.

    Her own people live in the city too, how could she not known any of this? As a royalty herself, even. This incoherence made me squint ಠ_ಠ

    The integrity of surrounding characters also diminishes in order to elevate her 'success'. For example, why Alphinaud never said anything when she demonstrates the danger of naivety & having only pure idealism in order to get what she wants? He's got a lot to say to her on that front as he had been through with the Crystal Braves in the past, but alas that was never explored in favor of further and repetition of "I have to protect Papa's peace!!!"-affirmations. This sort of 'growth' is very contrived and sounds very unearned.


    Oh yeah, I also play on JP VA
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    Maby we should have joined with Emet so dawntrail never would have happened.
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