Please, no more Wuk Lamat

[Valence]

You assume I'm speaking about you specifically and not about the several posts in this and other threads that get their panties in a twist about one fictional character the "community" (aka the loudest criers) turned into a scapegoat because the expansion story wasn't up to their standards. Wouldn't be calling them "armchair writers" if they didn't literally tried to pilot the story themselves (and this thread has enough proof of that).

Trying to list fallacies from the list doesn't make them exist out of thin air (not to mention that's, on itself, a fallacy). And just becuase it's feedback doesn't mean it's uncontestable or infallible. Feedback can be flawed and can be contested. And that would be assuming throwing the umpteenth tantrum about Wuk Lamat has any actual constructive criticism on it, which is a considerable stretch. Letting the noisiest complainers lead the stage totally unopposed is, by far and large, more destructive than "calling names".

But if you want it nice and simple, there you go, for everyone: Stop trying to pilot the story. It's already messy when it changes hands, even more when it comes from an outsider (a.k.a. the reader).

Then contest the feedback instead of posturing in the air by pointing at "armchair writers" (whoever they may be) and "solutions" (whatever they may be)? You're literally coming here, saying that the thread is full of bad writers and bad solutions but you're leaving it at that. We're not gifted mind readers, nobody will know what you're actually referring to. If you want to oppose the noisiest complainers then actually oppose them on what they're saying you know? Because so far I still have no idea what criticism you're trying to address and the only thing you've been doing is calling people names.

On piloting the story: I'm sure the writers are adults and smart enough not to just implement whatever random idea is brought over with no thought whatsoever. And if you're worried for them to listen to said feedback anyway, then see above and contest it and explain why it's bad.

[Korrcen]

Well firstly, SE has a formula for everything. Typically, we overthrow a government and then instate one of our own. In this expansion, we instate Wuk Lamat and Koana, while in previous expansions we instated Jullus/Maxima/Lucia/etc, Chai-Nuzz, Raubahn, Hien and Aymeric, respectively, to each of the governments we overthrew. We typically don't see the leaders we instate very often, sometimes for absolutely years, and they are usually just cameo appearances. When was the last time we even saw Aymeric or Chai-Nuzz? Even Hien was a long time ago at this point. We likely won't see Wuk Lamat again for many years. At best we've seen her in sidequests, but these can be ignored or skipped.

The second thing really is that it is ultimately a point of view whether Wuk Lamat was annoying. For example, personally, I felt a good relationship with her in a story sense. It was a bit odd for her to come along to Heritage Found with us, and the worst part was breaking free when we were defeating the last boss since that's our thing and she didn't have that sort of experience yet. They did make her answer things that would be better answered by us or the scions due to our experience, but not entirely at least.

I think another thing that people seem to think is annoying is the voice. It seems it's an either you like it or you don't kind of thing. Personally, I loved the voice so it wasn't a problem for me. I felt like it was the perfect female version of the male Hrothgar voices we've had. If you listen to the accent on all the male Hrothgar, you can see that same sort of accent on Wuk Lamat, so I appreciated that consistency.

I don't even remember who Chai-Nuzz is. How long ago was this character?

But yeah, may we never see Puke Lamat ever again.

[TBerry]

I don't even remember who Chai-Nuzz is. How long ago was this character?

But yeah, may we never see Puke Lamat ever again.

Shadowbringers. Eulmore

[Arrius]

Shadowbringers. Eulmore

If they cannot even recall Chai and Dulia, Shadowbringers' most pleasant couple ...

Man.

[RedLolly]

Semi related but I'm surprised there wasn't more pushback over her and Sphene spending half the latest story chatting with each other and then comboing to break down the aether barrier. Maybe people just kinda gave up on caring.

TBF that scene also included the Scions fighting Necron in the background and finished with our character blasting the terminal with unique animations based upon our current job. Wuk Lamat and Sphene got a big hero moment to immediately be followed by us finally being the Warrior of Light again.

It basically fed into the desire of centering us in the story and action that has been sorely missed in DT because Wuk Lamat was put in the spotlight, without actually crapping on Wuk Lamat. It worked for me, anyway.

[Korrcen]

If they cannot even recall Chai and Dulia, Shadowbringers' most pleasant couple ...

Man.

I have a toddler, so it took me like 6 months to go through Shadowbringers. Random characters fell through the cracks besides people like Ryne.

[Cynric]

TBF that scene also included the Scions fighting Necron in the background and finished with our character blasting the terminal with unique animations based upon our current job. Wuk Lamat and Sphene got a big hero moment to immediately be followed by us finally being the Warrior of Light again.

It basically fed into the desire of centering us in the story and action that has been sorely missed in DT because Wuk Lamat was put in the spotlight, without actually crapping on Wuk Lamat. It worked for me, anyway.

I enjoyed this part honestly. I enjoyed hanging with Sphene too. Right before this too Wuk had to keep running off to "do random things" and I greatly appreciated it.

It made zero sense for Wuk lamat to have been able to crash dimensions and then not be able to handle her own in the fight here, but I forgave it because my character finally got to actually do something cool.

[Gyson]

Please remove this character from the game and the story. I can't stand this character anymore and every cutscene and interaction with this character in it is a chore to go through. I'm sure the majority of people feel the same way.

It's time to put this annoying character in a shelf and never look back.

Remove Wuk Lamat.

Well as of this writing 37 people liked your post, so clearly a majority of FFXIV players feel the same way given that there are.. some unknowable number of players which is at least 39.

[Veritas-Ancora]

Well as of this writing 37 people liked your post, so clearly a majority of FFXIV players feel the same way given that there are.. some unknowable number of players which is at least 39.

If 37 is the majority, the game is REALLY in trouble.

[UNDEAD10000]

I don't even care that the WoL took a backseat but doing that so that we could have 20 hours of Wuk Lamat talking over every other character in the MSQ was completely insane

Offscreening Krile's most important reveal so we could spend more time with Wuk and then having her whine about how bored she was in Living Memory when we actually were focused on another character for 3 quests was some truly incredible writing

Well maybe you don't care WoL not being a main character but i do when the character we play as should always being a main character no matter what and not being as a side character like in Dawntrail where whole story is all about Wuk Lamat.


Yes, i do agree that Dawntrail should be more about Krile but that still would not save story of Dawntrail due to writing of Dawntrail (note: English localization) is simply god awful, it's so bad that like 90% of time i don't even have any idea what is happening in Dawntrail's story.