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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    Why not name the player type / audience clearly instead of beating around the bush?
    I assume you mean "woke?" Because there's nothing wrong with wanting games to have better representation and be more accessible, but unfortunately that had developers making games that were blander and toothless to try to make it inoffensive and playable by as many as possible.

    You know, the creative mistake of making something for everyone means it's meant for no one.
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    It's no secret that Square Enix has been suffering outside of FFXIV, most of their new titles and ips have been colossal failures. The shareholder who wrote this up would want them to strip FFXIV of even more budget, and quadruple the cash shop output so he can get another yacht. It's not a good thing for FFXIV. Square Enix should focus on making games that are fun and good instead of trying to appeal to global trends.
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  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelg View Post
    It's no secret that Square Enix has been suffering outside of FFXIV, most of their new titles and ips have been colossal failures. The shareholder who wrote this up would want them to strip FFXIV of even more budget, and quadruple the cash shop output so he can get another yacht. It's not a good thing for FFXIV. Square Enix should focus on making games that are fun and good instead of trying to appeal to global trends.
    Well, with dawntrail even FFXIV has been struggling.
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelg View Post
    It's no secret that Square Enix has been suffering outside of FFXIV, most of their new titles and ips have been colossal failures. The shareholder who wrote this up would want them to strip FFXIV of even more budget, and quadruple the cash shop output so he can get another yacht. It's not a good thing for FFXIV. Square Enix should focus on making games that are fun and good instead of trying to appeal to global trends.
    Not really. The problem is, SQEX sits on many treasures but they are unable or unwilling to open these treasures. New IPs ala Forspoken failed badly because the games were bad, old IPs like Final Fantasy 16 did not well because they changed too much this alienated the fans etc. Then they have too high costs. I wrote it in another thread, that it is bad, that the game engine is still based on DirectX 11. If you use such an ancient technology, the development costs will grow over time. You cannot use modern development tools and you will run out of skilled developers, who know such an old technology. But this are all management failures accumulated into this 100 pages long report.


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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLolly View Post
    I assume you mean "woke?" Because there's nothing wrong with wanting games to have better representation and be more accessible, but unfortunately that had developers making games that were blander and toothless to try to make it inoffensive and playable by as many as possible.

    You know, the creative mistake of making something for everyone means it's meant for no one.
    "There is nothing wrong with representation and accessibility but"

    Thanks for clarifying.
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    Secretly had a crush on Mao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    "There is nothing wrong with representation and accessibility but"

    Thanks for clarifying.
    This lady is starting to try to pick a fight with me because I like the newest version of a Miqo'te face more than the old and it's immediately getting weird.

    Read the entire post again.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLolly View Post
    I assume you mean "woke?" Because there's nothing wrong with wanting games to have better representation and be more accessible, but unfortunately that had developers making games that were blander and toothless to try to make it inoffensive and playable by as many as possible.

    You know, the creative mistake of making something for everyone means it's meant for no one.
    Let me rephrase and add some detail since you are trying to warp my words.

    Creatives in various entertainment industries took the wrong direction with trying to make their products more more accessible and representative.

    In gaming, the former had resulted in more games being simplified in various ways to make it easier for outsiders to enter said games and enjoy them, but said games became too easy or boring to established players. (FFXVI becoming a button mashy action game with built in cheat tools is a good example.)

    Meanwhile, the later meant we got to see plenty of games focussed on minorities, but most were written with an underlying fear of misrepresenting those same people. In a valiant attempt to try to make only good representation, these characters ended up being very boring, over-simplified, and either were "perfect" in some way and very often looped right back around into being offensive by being a caricature.
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  7. #17
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    Thanks for clarifying (this time, unironically).

    The previous post sounded quite different and raised a lot of red flags to me. Happy to see I was wrong.
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    Secretly had a crush on Mao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larirawiel View Post
    A very interesting analysis:
    https://www.3dipartners.com/wp-conte...-en-202512.pdf

    They list things like:
    * Fragmentation of the Development Portfolio
    * Deficiencies in Platform Selection
    * Deficiencies in Product Design
    * Deficiencies in Advertising and Promotion
    * Lagging Sales of Legacy Titles from Core IP

    And they complain about high operating costs, and that there are only very vague management strategies etc.


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    The result of many years of being all over the place with no real road map. I have no sympathy for the shareholders either they spent years watching things go down the drain glad their pockets are being effected.
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    Note: Taking advice from a players alt, is like taking advice from a voice in a dark room. Criticism is a two way street remember that!!

  10. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    The result of many years of being all over the place with no real road map. I have no sympathy for the shareholders either they spent years watching things go down the drain glad their pockets are being effected.
    Well, their entire plans seemed to be trying to appeal to western gamers, without paying any attention whatsoever to what western gamers want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    Well, their entire plans seemed to be trying to appeal to western gamers, without paying any attention whatsoever to what western gamers want.
    Par the course of the current western live-service/GaaS AAA industry.
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