Petition to fix Miqo'te Face 2 Eyebrows

[Valence]

[Appleboops]

Is this your technique to try and strongarm/bully SE into implementing the change you're hoping for? Keep bumping this thread endlessly every day or so until they comply?

This is the one and only time I'll ever post in here because I don't want to be the cause of it going back up to the top of the list. This is my opinion of course, and clearly there is a vocal group who oppose this opinion .. but as someone wrote not too long ago in this thread - this is a non-issue. They made a change to the race's image, you don't like that change. Understood. You made your claims, presented supporting evidence and desired outcomes, what's been said has been said.

That was a year ago.

Time to move on and let other threads take the top page because quite frankly I'm just tired of seeing this constantly bumped up to the top. SE had plenty of time to fix this if they wanted to, I'm certain they have seen this brought up and have had the opportunity to discuss a fix if they were planning to fix it.. but I'm willing to bet since it's been like this for so long they're just not going to. The decision's already been made. Sometimes you just have to move on.

Edit: (because again, I will not bump this thread ever again) - I have worked for over a decade in the gaming development industry and there is a lovely term for very low-impact bugs within titles, both before and after release, called known shippable. By definition it is qualifying a bug as being not worth development's time to fix since there are much bigger bugs to fry. The simple fact that you need to put a magnifying lense over your character to even see the minute differences being brought up here is a textbook example of a bug that falls into this category.

[Tahli]

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I couldn't disagree with you more.

Do you also think that any raised concerns about story, job identity, playable content, or QoL requests should be silenced because there are inevitably people that don't care for those topics? That ANY topic of feedback that hasn't been addressed after a year is moot, and pointless?
No. Everyone has different opinions about what parts of the game are important to them, and we have every right to continue to make it known to the staff that this is still not fixed, and we still very much are not okay with it. The team responsible for fixing graphical errors is not the same team that balances combat. You are not affected by feedback that you don't care about.

The difference with things like this is that it's not just opinion; there is an actual texture map error that impacts a character feature that it makes no sense to change. This is in the realm of a bug.
There are many errors that have been in the game for 1+ year now that have yet to be fixed, that doesn't mean that they are intentional or preferred.

We will continue to ask for better quality for a subject that is important to us.
Here's hoping that there's a fix in 7.4, so that we can all be happy!

[Shistar]

I couldn't disagree with you more.

Do you also think that any raised concerns about story, job identity, playable content, or QoL requests should be silenced because there are inevitably people that don't care for those topics? That ANY topic of feedback that hasn't been addressed after a year is moot, and pointless?
No. Everyone has different opinions about what parts of the game are important to them, and we have every right to continue to make it known to the staff that this is still not fixed, and we still very much are not okay with it. The team responsible for fixing graphical errors is not the same team that balances combat. You are not affected by feedback that you don't care about.

The difference with things like this is that it's not just opinion; there is an actual texture map error that impacts a character feature that it makes no sense to change. This is in the realm of a bug.
There are many errors that have been in the game for 1+ year now that have yet to be fixed, that doesn't mean that they are intentional or preferred.

We will continue to ask for better quality for a subject that is important to us.
Here's hoping that there's a fix in 7.4, so that we can all be happy!

[Valence]

Is this your technique to try and strongarm/bully SE into implementing the change you're hoping for? Keep bumping this thread endlessly every day or so until they comply?

This is the one and only time I'll ever post in here because I don't want to be the cause of it going back up to the top of the list. This is my opinion of course, and clearly there is a vocal group who oppose this opinion .. but as someone wrote not too long ago in this thread - this is a non-issue. They made a change to the race's image, you don't like that change. Understood. You made your claims, presented supporting evidence and desired outcomes, what's been said has been said.

That was a year ago.

Time to move on and let other threads take the top page because quite frankly I'm just tired of seeing this constantly bumped up to the top. SE had plenty of time to fix this if they wanted to, I'm certain they have seen this brought up and have had the opportunity to discuss a fix if they were planning to fix it.. but I'm willing to bet since it's been like this for so long they're just not going to. The decision's already been made. Sometimes you just have to move on.

Edit: (because again, I will not bump this thread ever again) - I have worked for over a decade in the gaming development industry and there is a lovely term for very low-impact bugs within titles, both before and after release, called known shippable. By definition it is qualifying a bug as being not worth development's time to fix since there are much bigger bugs to fry. The simple fact that you need to put a magnifying lense over your character to even see the minute differences being brought up here is a textbook example of a bug that falls into this category.

Trying to construe this change as a change of identity or visuals is disingenuous for two reasons:

- The producer specifically promised they'd try to keep it as close as possible to the originals.
- More importantly, this isn't about visual style, this is a texture UV map that's been fucked up as evidenced by how stretched the diffuse texture is as a result comparatively to what it used to be (it's squished, it's bad). If anything, I'd qualify this as a glitch (which has been already reported btw).

( I've also worked for years in the game industry development, specifically in the 3D art side, and this is salvageable in less than a couple of hours by one person especially since it was still not glitched in the benchmark before release btw, but let me guess, you worked on the producing side right? )


Edit: if SE isn't happy about that thread constantly coming back up, they can either 1) fix the issue or 2) make themselves know here and lock the topic.

[RedLolly]

Okay, so I was absolutely in support of remapping the eyebrows multiple patches ago, but what about us that have gotten used to or even attached to the razor brow look that this thread reviles, now? Who takes precedent? Current players that love their avatar and new players that join, or the people in this thread that hate sharp eyebrows?

This is my favorite Miqo'te face pre-Dawntrail, and I swapped to it again and finally don't want to change my WoL despite being a Fantasia addict.

So. I'm just out? The fact that the gremlin-like >:] smile has developed into a personality that fits me and at this point I realize I might be upset if 7.4 or beyond suddenly softens the brows completely as desired by those in support of it. That won't be my Lorna

Also MALE Miqo'te consistently have the same type of brow shapes across all of their faces. The pointed, thin brows have become a consistent racial trait, and face 2 of the girls now consistently matches the males in that regard.

At this point. I want dev time put into expanding gear with two dye channels and improving textures, not changing 3 pixels again and again and again because the graphical update changed the graphics on faces.

[Rin_Sato]

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This is clearly an error and it is being marked as "working as intended" when it clearly isn't. It also is a fix which takes about 1 minute to fix, as demonstrated by a video referenced earlier which shows exactly what is needed to fix it. Meanwhile other races have had adjustments significantly smaller than this one done and had their threads marked correctly (as *bugs*).

[Tahli]

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I'm sorry, but I don't agree with leaving a face-altering bug in the game just because some people could get used to it, especially since there are many people who greatly dislike it. I also believe they should stick to their promise of being an accurate update without changing the original impression of 10+ years.

Genuinely, they look the least functional right now than any other iteration they've gone through (Pre-DT, Benchmark 1), so if you can somehow get used to that, I really don't think you'd have trouble getting used to them again if they actually looked the way they should. The bug never should have been ingame to begin with. I can't speak for male Miqo'te since I don't play one, but there's a big difference in a face's options that have always looked similar to eachother vs ones that used to have MUCH clearer variety but changed after DT.

If they were changed to be shaped more like their original version, and you like a sharper, angrier look, I'd suggest trying Eyebrow option 1. Those were originally the "angrier" brows that more than filled that niche without overwriting all other options' shapes.

If it came to it and you still want something choppier, I'd support you in asking for it as an additional option, since they've strongly hinted at working to expand the character creator in the future.

[RedLolly]

Snip.

But it ISN'T bugged, thinking they look unattractive isn't a BUG, it's an opinion. This whole graphical update debate is a bunch of players voicing their opinions.

Since Yoshi-P is now considering adding options to the creator as the update allows for more layering and a bigger selection of options, we should be asking for *additional* softer brow options. Then players that like the current look, like me, aren't screwed over, too. Can't we have both?

[Valence]

Okay, so I was absolutely in support of remapping the eyebrows multiple patches ago, but what about us that have gotten used to or even attached to the razor brow look that this thread reviles, now? Who takes precedent? Current players that love their avatar and new players that join, or the people in this thread that hate sharp eyebrows?

This is my favorite Miqo'te face pre-Dawntrail, and I swapped to it again and finally don't want to change my WoL despite being a Fantasia addict.

So. I'm just out? The fact that the gremlin-like >:] smile has developed into a personality that fits me and at this point I realize I might be upset if 7.4 or beyond suddenly softens the brows completely as desired by those in support of it. That won't be my Lorna

Also MALE Miqo'te consistently have the same type of brow shapes across all of their faces. The pointed, thin brows have become a consistent racial trait, and face 2 of the girls now consistently matches the males in that regard.

At this point. I want dev time put into expanding gear with two dye channels and improving textures, not changing 3 pixels again and again and again because the graphical update changed the graphics on faces.

Easy to say when you're the one privileged. It's always the same discourse with job changes as well. Every time we have the people benefiting trying to swap the victim card around.
This isn't even an art change, this is a fucked UVW texture map... Like for real, are we also gonna complain when the devs hotfix something after it gets broken by a patch just because we "got attached to the glitch"?

But it ISN'T bugged, thinking they look unattractive isn't a BUG, it's an opinion. This whole graphical update debate is a bunch of players voicing their opinions.

Since Yoshi-P is now considering adding options to the creator as the update allows for more layering and a bigger selection of options, we should be asking for *additional* softer brow options. Then players that like the current look, like me, aren't screwed over, too. Can't we have both?

This is the kind of stuff we're dealing with here - it's been like this since EW released. Here it's deformed, stretched on the left of the motif, and squished on the right of it. It's sloppy.
But I'm not complaining or making reports over this because I frankly couldn't care less, it doesn't stand right in my face every time I stroll through Old Sharlayan, unlike my character in cutscenes.



Same thing with those eyebrow textures, they're not only squished horizontally so that all of their details get lost, but they're also stretched vertically. Probably because the artists moved the mesh beneath slightly and forgot to adjust UVs.