Please remove housing lottery and make some other way of house acquisition.

[JohncarterIx]

wows doing it with mo demo and you keep your house

[Nyastra]

We went from a horrible system that made you waste your time, energy and potentially risk your health for the CHANCE at a small (Mediums and larges were out of the table) to a system that lets you leisurely browse your options in a period of multiple days, settle on one with a singular click and gives you gil back in full if you don't win. How is this system just as bad as the previous one? Are we insane now?
This is the best system we've had so far. It allows you to go from nothing to a Large, if only you are the chosen lottery number. Before it was also a game of chance, but you lost so much more in the process.


I'm not saying the system isn't flawed. People abusing multiple bids on alt accounts are not good - but then, what kind of system does SE have to implement to be able to tell a multi alt account FC shell from your buddy that wants to help towards the FC house's bids? How far are we willing to let SE monitor us? They already said they're unwilling to introduce systems that check through our computer's files, for which I am thankful they have kept their word so far. The only way to make these gil farm FCs to lose interest in housing is to divorce the workshop from the house. Unless they want to keep the houses for the flex, many of them will free up nearly instantly.

Current system does have flaws yeah, but it's better than what we had for sure. I do agree though, if they remove the workshop from the house it wouldn't be as much of a problem as it is now. I'm sure they'll find a way to abuse it regardless but at least housing would not suffer as much.

[Arrius]

wows doing it with mo demo and you keep your house

You can keep your house since it's a saved preset, but you may lose the plot you got it on depending on Private Neighborhoods (mostly being guild/charter neighborhood formed) that decide to throw you out for whatever reason.
For some that might not be a big issue, but when you got a very specific plot for your place and you lose out of it, that could ruin your enjoyment.

[Shistar]

Current system does have flaws yeah, but it's better than what we had for sure. I do agree though, if they remove the workshop from the house it wouldn't be as much of a problem as it is now. I'm sure they'll find a way to abuse it regardless but at least housing would not suffer as much.

At this point of the game, it is extremely unlikely they can do something to stop shell FCs. If they make the requirements stricter, they'll just meet the requirements. And there's a point in which it begins hurting real players who are playing legitimately, so I am not surprised they've left these shell FCs to do whatever they want.
Since the issue we're discussing here is the fact that they're padding the lotteries like crazy, at least removing the one reason they typically are after houses would alleviate it. Then you'd only be left with people who use these strategies to buy entire wards for fun/decorating/"rp", but what can you do... there's a fine line that is nearly non-existent when it comes to stopping these people but not hurting the players who are playng nice with the rules.


Next step would be making the workshop not as insanely profitable, but that is an issue housing won't be concerned about if they separate the two concepts first. One step at a time, hopefully.

[Alicie]

We went from a horrible system that made you waste your time, energy and potentially risk your health for the CHANCE at a small (Mediums and larges were out of the table) to a system that lets you leisurely browse your options in a period of multiple days, settle on one with a singular click and gives you gil back in full if you don't win. How is this system just as bad as the previous one? Are we insane now?
This is the best system we've had so far. It allows you to go from nothing to a Large, if only you are the chosen lottery number. Before it was also a game of chance, but you lost so much more in the process.


I'm not saying the system isn't flawed. People abusing multiple bids on alt accounts are not good - but then, what kind of system does SE have to implement to be able to tell a multi alt account FC shell from your buddy that wants to help towards the FC house's bids? How far are we willing to let SE monitor us? They already said they're unwilling to introduce systems that check through our computer's files, for which I am thankful they have kept their word so far. The only way to make these gil farm FCs to lose interest in housing is to divorce the workshop from the house. Unless they want to keep the houses for the flex, many of them will free up nearly instantly.

Just because what we have now is slightly better than what we had before in some aspects, does not means that we need to stop improvements.

Just as for humanity once stone tools were the best that we ever had. Does not means that we need to accept stone tools and stop seeking for better materials, does it?

At least with old system everyone who wanted a house and was determined enough - was getting a house. And you could purchase relo from another player for gil for the plot of your dreams. There was no situation where you were homeless for an YEAR.

[Sunhwapark]

I suppose the only solution for that kind of issue is granting players access to a personal property that is not involved with the current housing/apartment system.

[Shistar]

Just because what we have now is slightly better than what we had before in some aspects, does not means that we need to stop improvements.

I never said that. I literally wrote a whole paragraph (which you also quoted) where I am saying the system is indeed flawed still. It's just that I personally think your ideas are consistently worse than what we have already. The "least worse" one is maybe the queue, but as many before me pointed out, you're just asking for systems with more loopholes to abuse.

At least with old system everyone who wanted a house and was determined enough - was getting a house. And you could purchase relo from another player for gil for the plot of your dreams. There was no situation where you were homeless for an YEAR.

False. The old system had many more ways to prevent someone from getting a house than we have right now. Bad luck? No house. Bots spamming placard? No house. Someone got in your way and you couldn't click the sign in the 0.3 seconds the house was available before someone grabbed it? No house. Can't stay aware 14 hours day and night, with no bathroom or food breaks, because it might just free up the moment you stand up? Guess what. No house!
I can and have made many compromises for housing, but I draw the line at the player's health. The old system should have never lasted as long as it did. Having to put everything on the line for a chance at a virtual house is toxic. If you truly think the old system was better in any way, I'm afraid we might never see eye to eye on this topic.

I know I would abandon my FC house if I didn't need it for the workshop.

In my defense though, I wasn't intentionally trying to be a "shell FC" but rather the FC just never grew on account of being on Maduin. The sad irony though is that even if I gave up the plot, it would probably remain vacant for years, just as it had before I bought it.

I am not on NA so I don't know how things are in Maduin, but in Phantom (a fairly small server in generally quiet Chaos DC, in a region that is only 1/3rd the size of yours), growing FCs is very difficult too, but not impossible. It just takes triple the work, and it is work. But I find it enjoyable personally.
If you want your FC to grow, you'll have to fight for it with tooth and nail, especially at the start... then, as you gain momentum, it all gets easier. But those first few members are super rough to settle every time. What do you want to make with your FC?

[tsuchii]

Let us erect any size plot house in the island. It's MASSIVE. Most people don't care about neighbours. In fact most people just want to decorate and would hate to have a neighbour.
I believe it's coming tbh. Just be patient.

[Burmecia]

we need some system that will prevent people from permalosing lottery.

you win eventually, if you keep participating.

being little tactical can boost anyone's chances. bid for small instead of medium. bid for goblet plot.

[Shistar]

Yeah, Maduin is part of Dynamis, which is more or less the NA equivalent of Chaos for EU when it comes to low population. And I've found it kinda... pointless to build an FC over here because there's so many things working against any kind of growth, including there being way bigger and better FCs even for our small size.
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From my understanding, you guys don't even get regular DF pops, and your wards are generally empty? Chaos has a fairly healthy DF still and popular districts are usually full, provided you're not trying to play in the dead of night or you consider Empyreum popular, nevermind the Goblet lol. Although my world is small I would say Chaos is doing leagues better than Dynamis, but what do I know... :'D

It seems you've already reached a conclusion on your own. If you're not ready to fully let go of your houses yet, I would recommend getting the help of a friend to add an alt to your FC, making them the leader so you can continue to manage the workshop and possibly move your main to an FC within Dynamis or straight up another world/DC of your preference.

In the end, you've said it yourself: the house will likely stay unclaimed until someone wants it, but until you find such a person you'll be stuck there. It may be worth simply letting it go so you can move on to something more enjoyable. Don't let a house you barely care about keep you hostage. When someone wants that house, they will be able to claim it. You can participate in lotteries in another world/DC and you may win sooner than you expect. Just gotta give it a try, you know? And consistency is key, of course.