Solo/Alt FCs with Housing are a Problem, and this FC "Housing Deniers" Proves It

[Infindox]

And if we’re really dreaming, instead of a workshop, give every house (FC or personal) a copy/pasted inn room as an additional room, so we don’t have to go to the inn to use the glamour dresser!

I've said that point many times and will always agree with this!!!

[Kaurhz]

Decouple submarines and airships from FC, tie them to the individual player, and just rework how much you actually gain from them in raw server generated Gil.

I don't really think you lose anything... If they developers actually cared about FC collaboration then they would have been doing a lot more than what they have, and frankly submarines and airships don't really scratch the surface.

Decoupling just removes the incentive for hoarding in this perspective, I would agree it doesn't solve everything, but it goes a great step towards it since you won't need to house hoard for this purpose.

[Mika_Zahard]

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There's tons of FC only available spots on DYNAMIS. I dont think more than 20% of fc plots in other servers are used for shell/solo FCs. If anything, most of the FC only wards are still with people grandfathered into private housing.

[Burmecia]

I think you need to stop thinking that a low amount of members correlates to not 'deserving' a plot or 'hoarding'

I'm EU player, I do some pvp at JP servers with FCless character, when I started this game I started it on NA server.

My absolutely worst experiences in ff14 were the two "large, active and helpful " FCs I was part of as sprout. Even in my current main server, I have friends who are in FC lead by NA player - their current problem within fc? The leader is unhappy about Chaos growing the less busy and more silent one of the two datacenters, so she wants to move the FC onto Light.

It's probably culture thing(?). I just can't get my head around what looks like to me aggressive glamorizing of BIG fcs and BIG servers--- or just anything and everything BIGBIGBIG all the time.

And JP side seems to like small FC out of us all. Small =//= undeserving. 0bivion has excellent point.

[SalamanderIX]

I'd argue for a reasonable limit on houses an account can own, like 8. That is as long as we continue to have instanced housing.

In other words, since people have been allowed to it, I guess it should continue but at a smaller scale.

[Toutatis]

Punishing people and making them lose their house because their friends stopped playing as suggested by OP makes no sense.

People talk a lot about the workshops but it is not the only thing. Personally, I don’t care about workshops (we built them but don’t bother using them any more). To me, the biggest advantage of fc housing vs personal housing is the ability to share it with alts and have some tools at the same spot: retainer bell, vendors, aesthetician, chest, mail, market board at the doorstep, etc. The only thing missing is a room with a dresser. I don’t know why they can’t add this to personal housing. Maybe it’s time to think about instanced housing too. The Island in EW was a missed opportunity.

Also, atm there are quite a few plots on several servers that do not even receive bids although small houses offer pretty much the same functionality as the big ones. The only difference is pretty much the amount of garden plots you can have but onions sell for so little these days, it’s not even worth the trouble. It’s only if someone likes to take care of that.

[MikeCake]

I feel like you are way more upset about their name, otherwise I think they have won the housing fair and square.
That's just how the system is, its not in favor of everyone, the luck is same as trying to roll for a TT card or mount, you either win or loose.

Adding more restriction to an already bad system though, is gonna kill housing for a lot of players, they could either move submarines from being locked to FC estate or just allow users to have instanced housing.
I for one wouldn't mind if the submarines were shifted to Island Sanctuary instead and FC workshop focus more on FC crafts.

But at the end of the day, the current housing system is designed to keep the player locked onto their subscription, and having submarines and aircrafts is a bonus reason to keep the housing.
I do not think there will be any implementation for a change on this topic.

[Batbrat]

I feel like you are way more upset about their name, otherwise I think they have won the housing fair and square.
That's just how the system is, its not in favor of everyone, the luck is same as trying to roll for a TT card or mount, you either win or loose.
Adding more restriction to an already bad system though, is gonna kill housing for a lot of players, they could either move submarines from being locked to FC estate or just allow users to have instanced housing.
I for one wouldn't mind if the submarines were shifted to Island Sanctuary instead and FC workshop focus more on FC crafts.
But at the end of the day, the current housing system is designed to keep the player locked onto their subscription, and having submarines and aircrafts is a bonus reason to keep the housing.

The houses that do this even without saying it in the name are a problem too though. Going to break this down slowly.

Housing should be for people who want to own and use a house, as a house, for community reasons.
Friends, venues, fcs, player made events, personal decoration, etc.
Housing should not be for farming gil all alone with 2 clicks and 1 cutscene. It should not be for farming gil at all.

It is ok to farm gil.
But to mix these two means that people who want a house can not get a house because people who only want gil are taking up houses only for gil.
Players that want a house are locked away from housing by players who do not want a house.
Do you get it now? That is the core issue.
The player who uses the house for sub gil does not want a house. They want the sub gil.
Are there people who want both? Yes. However, far too many people just want the gil and do not want the house.
This directly leads to less people having a house, because more people want just the "free" gil.
Again, so, because some people only want the gil and do not want to use the house, people who want the house cannot get the house.

So, the only way to stop this from happening would be to separate the gil from housing.
This way, people who want a house can have and use their house. and people who want to farm gil, will go elsewhere to do that.
"That will lead to less people having houses" Yes, and that is the intention. Only the people who actually want the house for the house, should have the house. "but that wont be many" and that is fine. That would mean people could easily get houses with no issues anymore.
Simply put subs somewhere else. Let people still make their gil, but don't tie it to housing. It is win-win.
Farmers farm their gil, and housing people get their houses. "what if we want both" Then do both separately.

[Heavenchild]

This would also punish many people, who still have an FC + house but whose members have gradually left over time.
For example, I put so much effort into my medium FC house, and it’s my absolute favorite plot. But right now, we’re just two people left.
With your idea, it would take our house away, and that really doesn’t sound fair.

[Burmecia]

With your idea, it would take our house away, and that really doesn’t sound fair.

people supporting op's idea aren't really concerned about fairness