Calyx's past

[Pimsan20]

So we know some part of Calyx's past. But i do hope we get to see more of his background. So far he's a really interesting character and we might have to face him again in the next expansion along with the Ascian and this Winterer.

What do you guys think? Should we learn more of his past to get a better understanding?

[Carin-Eri]

So we know some part of Calyx's past. But i do hope we get to see more of his background. So far he's a really interesting character and we might have to face him again in the next expansion along with the Ascian and this Winterer.

What do you guys think? Should we learn more of his past to get a better understanding?

Absolutely.

Much like you, I found him interesting too. I quite enjoyed having an antagonist who didn't challenge us head-on. I mean, we knew nothing of him until he took a sniper shot at us that may well have worked if the shot was more powerful. A foe who was intelligent enough to try to out think us.

In fact, I would assume it's a given that the story will look into his past at some point, as it'll probably be necessary to give us more insight into his motives and how he became associated with the 'Winterers'.

[Cleretic]

I love Calyx, and the idea that we'll get more of him is honestly the only reason I can even find any excitement in me about the Winterers, but I'm actually a little reticent to see more of his past specifically.

He's a character that I genuinely think wouldn't be helped by seeing his 'origin'. Sure, more Calyx is more better, but I don't think his history as a sick child, which I feel the game would treat as the natural place to go, would do anything to aid who his character is in the present. I more just want to see him keep being a weirdly emotionless evil genius, and while there's certainly place in his history for that (I think particularly his early Endless days has some potential, probably alongside Demetrios), I really do just have more fun shaking our fists at him now.

[fulminating]

Overall I’d say mystery is good and needed. I think what we’d gain from further exploring his backstory is insight into the local ascian puppetmaster, at the cost of calyx’s intrigue. A direct meeting with the ascian handler could probably lay a few plot hooks without compromising the mystique with a meandering woe is he flashback, maybe skilled enough in the echo to disable the exposition scenes so we have to take them at their word or not, at least for the time being.

I would quite like to have an unexplored yet fully plausible hook that the ascian handler has perhaps queen eternalled calyx to a degree though, just to keep it interesting. Electrope is sort of magic writing mostly and the ascians have hidden rakes in magic before. As long as it doesn’t get explicitly stated either way, just odd coincidences/echoed phrases etc.

[mallleable]

I want to know more about his ability to use concepts, and how he was able to give his Necron the ability to use Grand Cross. Yeah, I know the original FFIX Necron used Grand Cross, but this version of Necron was constructed by Calyx. What abilities it could use were Calyx's choice, and it used an ability that has been used by Ultima, The High Seraph, and savage Neo Exdeath. Awfully suspicious.

[Pimsan20]

I want to know more about his ability to use concepts, and how he was able to give his Necron the ability to use Grand Cross. Yeah, I know the original FFIX Necron used Grand Cross, but this version of Necron was constructed by Calyx. What abilities it could use were Calyx's choice, and it used an ability that has been used by Ultima, The High Seraph, and savage Neo Exdeath. Awfully suspicious.

That is a really good point now that you mention. Maybe he and the Winterer came into contact with a being like Ultima? We know that Auracite did exist before the sundering and that it didn't not native to Etheirys. If it came from space or from a different dimensions is still debatable.

[RedLolly]

I want to know more about his ability to use concepts, and how he was able to give his Necron the ability to use Grand Cross. Yeah, I know the original FFIX Necron used Grand Cross, but this version of Necron was constructed by Calyx. What abilities it could use were Calyx's choice, and it used an ability that has been used by Ultima, The High Seraph, and savage Neo Exdeath. Awfully suspicious.

I'm not so sure.

Flare Star, the level 100 capstone for Black Mage, is a spell previously used by Zurvan. I don't know if that's something wr should look into that deeply as the only spells we've been meant to look at this closely is Ultima, which has an entire incantation. And in Ultima's case, it's functioned the same every time. But instances of both Grand Cross and Flare Star do not.

[mallleable]

I'm not so sure.

Flare Star, the level 100 capstone for Black Mage, is a spell previously used by Zurvan. I don't know if that's something wr should look into that deeply as the only spells we've been meant to look at this closely is Ultima, which has an entire incantation. And in Ultima's case, it's functioned the same every time. But instances of both Grand Cross and Flare Star do not.

I think this might be a little different. "To that end, I set strict parameters for a “concept” of my own design." Everything about Necron should be considered a deliberate choice by Calyx, and to me it should be considered an extension of his character, and his abilities. And he gave his creation the reoccurring big bad spell Grand Cross. So at the very least we must consider that Calyx has knowledge of some powerful magicks.

An additional layer of tinfoil is that this Necron's version of Grand Cross is somewhat mechanically similar to savage Pallas Athena's 'Gaiaochos' ability where she shrinks the arena, and summons thigs that fire overlapping beams through the arena that make crosses. The names 'Grand Cross,' and 'Gaiaochos' also sound kind of phonetically similar. There is the possibility that one is a linguistic corruption of the other. Yeah, yeah the Pandaemonium savage fights are canonically in the realm of reckless speculation, and it could just be the battle designers reusing mechanical ideas, but it is a juicy coincidence that a Sharlyan scientist, and Calyx had similar ideas for an enemy ability.

[Cleretic]

There is the possibility that one is a linguistic corruption of the other.

Gaiaochos is a Greek term for geocentrism (that's also linked to the belief that Poseidon was holding up the Earth), to go along with the theme of Pallas Athena's attacks all being named after obsolete scientific theories.

Your theory also only makes sense in English; for that to carry through the names for both attacks also need to look a little bit similar in every other language, too.

[mallleable]

Gaiaochos is a Greek term for geocentrism (that's also linked to the belief that Poseidon was holding up the Earth), to go along with the theme of Pallas Athena's attacks all being named after obsolete scientific theories.

Your theory also only makes sense in English; for that to carry through the names for both attacks also need to look a little bit similar in every other language, too.

Apparently every language just uses 'Gaiaochos' for the cast, and it is just spelled out in Katakana in Japanese. As for Grand Cross, Croix Suprême (FR), Supernova (DE), Grand Cross (in katakana). The most phonetically similar would be Japanese, and English with the most different being German. Still a little suspicious.