BLM Changes Are Fantastic. The timers were so annoying. Thanks FFXIV team ! :)

[Valence]

SB BLM could skip a bit more with triplecast. But by no means close to what we have today.

Also non standard has been as old as ARR, just perhaps not to the same degree, I wouldn't know. Transpose to AF1 into firestarter for fire swap has been a thing since ARR. Cold Flare techs also used to be a thing before ShB, notably during HW.

[Keichi]

Non Standard seems to exist again, thanks of the change (not sure, if it allready existed earlier).

Standard should be around:
Casting both ice spells to fill the symbols. Cast fire3 to switch to fire. Cast fire4 until flare Star is ready. In between can you use paradox and fire 3 proc (or keep the proc for later). Onces, you mp is 0, are you using B1 to switch to ice and fills everything up again and restart it.

But, i have read, that the Real rotation, people are using is:
Start with fire3. Use fire4 until mp is 0. Use mana font. Use f4 again. Now, can you use flarstar. Than, can you cast F4 again, until the mp is 0 and you cast flar Star again. This rotation sacrifice Paradox, to use FS 2 times.
Now, are you using transmog to go to ice, for a bit more dmg. Maybe use a Quick spell skill to cast B1 faster. Fills the ice stuff and use paradox. Than, switch with transmog again to fire. Use paradox to get fire starter and use than f3 to start the fire phase.

Its so out of the normal line, that it seems for me to fit the term "non-standard".

Aoe is even more simple. Use 2 times flare and than flare Star. Use transmog to switch to ice. Use freeze (or what the aoe Version was), to get the 3 shards. Use some filler, until you can use transmog again. Switch back to fire and cast again 2 times flare.
This variation is very fast and make with it good dmg. From what i have read.

And the base for the ST rotation seems to be, that whe dont have a timer anymore, that force us to use paradox earlier.

[Voidmage]

Non Standard seems to exist again, thanks of the change (not sure, if it allready existed earlier).

Standard should be around:
Casting both ice spells to fill the symbols. Cast fire3 to switch to fire. Cast fire4 until flare Star is ready. In between can you use paradox and fire 3 proc (or keep the proc for later). Onces, you mp is 0, are you using B1 to switch to ice and fills everything up again and restart it.

But, i have read, that the Real rotation, people are using is:
Start with fire3. Use fire4 until mp is 0. Use mana font. Use f4 again. Now, can you use flarstar. Than, can you cast F4 again, until the mp is 0 and you cast flar Star again. This rotation sacrifice Paradox, to use FS 2 times.
Now, are you using transmog to go to ice, for a bit more dmg. Maybe use a Quick spell skill to cast B1 faster. Fills the ice stuff and use paradox. Than, switch with transmog again to fire. Use paradox to get fire starter and use than f3 to start the fire phase.

Its so out of the normal line, that it seems for me to fit the term "non-standard".

Aoe is even more simple. Use 2 times flare and than flare Star. Use transmog to switch to ice. Use freeze (or what the aoe Version was), to get the 3 shards. Use some filler, until you can use transmog again. Switch back to fire and cast again 2 times flare.
This variation is very fast and make with it good dmg. From what i have read.

And the base for the ST rotation seems to be, that whe dont have a timer anymore, that force us to use paradox earlier.

That's not non-standard or a rotation at all but simply the flare opener.
After that you simply go back to the normal rotation after Manafont is back. Non-standard basically doesn't exist anymore because of Flarestar.

The only thing left that is even rudimentary out of the norm is to use triplecast for Blizzard 3 and Blizzard 4 instead of for movement but that is not even worth to mention.
At this point I only wait for Transpose to be deleted next.

[Aysin]

BLM also couldn't skip jack crap in Stormblood either. Your highest damage spell was foul, followed by a proc'd thunder 3, then fire 4. The entire class was maximizing fire 4, and the only time any BLM skipped anything in the rotation was because the boss was about to jump and the timers wouldn't survive said jump. All the nonstandard stuff where BLM started skipping casts came about because of high spellspeed builds in shadowbringers, and didn't gain traction until paradox solidified it in endwalker. It's part of why I say nonstandard is demonstrably not intended nor is it healthy for the class. It's the equivalent of summoners in Heavensward boosting their expected damage by 25-40% by abusing the bad design of Dreadwyrm Trance, snapshotting, and contagion. Doesn't matter how much anyone likes it, it is aggressively bad to the game's overall health and in no way representative of how the class is intended to be played, or even how it was played throughout the years.

Endwalker is almost literally the only expansion where BLM was regularly played in a way other than what was intended.

As someone who literally did the alternate rotations in stormblood, this is false. You could have said not as many people were doing that and I would agree, but transposing to instant B3 or F3, skipping B4, skipping F1 was always a thing in SB. Same with ShB, who had the ideal rotation to skip using B4, and use thunder and Xeno as ice filler and back to F4 spam, was always a thing for those who wanted to push at the top maybe 3%.

The part where Endwalker made it more common is true however and that stems from fight design being more movement heavy in some specific fights that you are kind of forced to otherwise you would lose out on a lot of damage. It's the combination of nonstandard providing both more movement options and more damage that made it more common to attempt for the average player otherwise it would be just like previous expacs.

You can verify this by seeing the top logs from back then where you see not a single Fire 1 cast was made in some cases, ShB nonstandard sacrificed movement for more damage, making you more turret, whereas Endwalker made you more mobile.

Also nonstandard still exists, for as long as some spells have less potency the players will try to find a way around it. This is in the form of swift-B3, double para for F3 and hold on to it till required etc.

[Akaza_Renn]

You already had every other job you could play for the sake of simplicity, that wasn't enough for you? Also Yoshi P and his team aren't babies that need to be coddled. You're seeing a sea of negative posts because the changes are truly abhorrent.

Every job has been simplified why should BLM be an exception? Yoshida is the one saying he is not giving BLM a “preferential treatment” then it’s fair to have BLM simplified or complicated EQUALLY as other jobs. I keep asking why is BLM the one that’s “chosen to be complicated and high ceiling blahblah” not SMN not RDM not PCT if not being Yoshida’s main, and all others should just be simplified to hell. How is that fair?

I’m glad to see that the only privileged job finally got what’s due to long, as least on the designs, though its DPS is still too high.

[Supersnow845]

Every job has been simplified why should BLM be an exception? Yoshida is the one saying he is not giving BLM a “preferential treatment” then it’s fair to have BLM simplified or complicated EQUALLY as other jobs. I keep asking why is BLM the one that’s “chosen to be complicated and high ceiling blahblah” not SMN not RDM not PCT if not being Yoshida’s main, and all others should just be simplified to hell. How is that fair?

I’m glad to see that the only privileged job finally got what’s due to long, as least on the designs, though its DPS is still too high.

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[Rithy255]

Every job has been simplified why should BLM be an exception? Yoshida is the one saying he is not giving BLM a “preferential treatment” then it’s fair to have BLM simplified or complicated EQUALLY as other jobs. I keep asking why is BLM the one that’s “chosen to be complicated and high ceiling blahblah” not SMN not RDM not PCT if not being Yoshida’s main, and all others should just be simplified to hell. How is that fair?

I’m glad to see that the only privileged job finally got what’s due to long, as least on the designs, though its DPS is still too high.

I'm very confused by this comment on one hand you acknowledge that every job has been simplified but seem to miss the obvious point that Yes we should be raising the skill celling of jobs instead of just making everything simplified so the only jobs left are very easy simple ones that leave people bored, No wonder why everyone complains theirs nothing to do these days, it's almost like if we had diverse and better job design redoing content itself would I don't know... be Interesting?

Being glad that the only "privileged" (well designed) job was made to be like every other job is just yeah.. crab sin the bucket mentality lets hold down a job for being too well designed and lets make it bad like every other job! makes total sense, rather then actually adding some complexity in jobs without making the floor to high (which lets be real Job design being harder doesn't effect "casual" players other then making dungeons longer because they don't know their rotation that well).

Though your right on one thing it's dps is too high, because now theirs no actual skill in playing it, should be lower then melees with how it's currently designed.