"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Crafoutis]

Section 2.9 (“Other Prohibited Activities”) and Section 3 (“Prohibited Activities”) both emphasize that obstructive behavior, or disruptive use of the service are forbidden.

Repeatedly reporting people without just cause could reasonably be considered disruption to service (tying up CS labor), they would likely fall under the broader “Prohibited Activities.” Square Enix reserves the right to suspend or terminate accounts for that kind of misuse.

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Now, if a tank is in your group and they explicitly state "I am going to let _________ die because they pulled instead of me.", then yes, that is grounds for reporting and subsequent suspension.

[Supersnow845]

They have to assume it was accidentally turned off because there's no proof of intent. Did we just ignore this part????

And like I said proof of intent doesn’t have to be “I’m turning my stance off because I’m trying to teach you a lesson. Turning your stance off for exactly the amount of time a DPS who pulled needs to die before turning it back on to save everyone else can be proof in it of itself because they have the logs to show when the tank did or didn’t pull

Especially since YPYT is rarely done in isolation, if it was an accident and the DPS pulled again then the tank would just pick up the mobs, YPYT would turn their stance off again. It’s not hard to show

[jesseleewelch]

While i agree that nontank pullers are the problem, the whole YPYT thing hurts more people than just the griefer it's intended to hurt.

[Crafoutis]

And like I said proof of intent doesn’t have to be “I’m turning my stance off because I’m trying to teach you a lesson. Turning your stance off for exactly the amount of time a DPS who pulled needs to die before turning it back on to save everyone else can be proof in it of itself because they have the logs to show when the tank did or didn’t pull

Especially since YPYT is rarely done in isolation, if it was an accident and the DPS pulled again then the tank would just pick up the mobs, YPYT would turn their stance off again. It’s not hard to show

I think you're naive to expect the CS reps to dig through the combat logs of every last vague report and piece together an FBI timeline of events based on timestamps. They do that for high-publicity raider controversy, not joe-nobodys on the forums.

[Supersnow845]

I think you're naive to expect the CS reps to dig through the combat logs of every last vague report and piece together an FBI timeline of events based on timestamps. They do that for high-publicity raider controversy, not joe-nobodys on the forums.

What else do you think the GM’s are doing, that’s literally their job

It’s not that hard to look into a log and go “oh DPS pulled at 16.15, tank stance goes off at 16.17, DPS dies at 17.01, tank stance on at 17.05, situation repeats at next pull at 19.25, DPS reported tank for MPK”

[BlisteringFrost]

What else do you think the GM’s are doing, that’s literally their job

It’s not that hard to look into a log and go “oh DPS pulled at 16.15, tank stance goes off at 16.17, DPS dies at 17.01, tank stance on at 17.05, situation repeats at next pull at 19.25, DPS reported tank for MPK”

I can promise you, they won't look that deeply for one off affairs. They're trained to treat these incidents as "it's just one or two dudes angry at each other but neither of them are doing anything actually serious" and they CTRL+V a canned response telling you to blacklist the person if you don't like them.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I guarantee you if you repeatedly report tanks for being slow, you will get an account penalty.

And if not yet, just give it some time now that you've posted this opinion.

I don't mind a slow tank. I mind a tank being belligerent and turning off their stance to make a person die on purpose. That's griefing. I don't care what personal etiquette they feel was slighted. I'll just report them, I don't need to have a debate in party chat.

[jesseleewelch]

I don't mind a slow tank. I mind a tank being belligerent and turning off their stance to make a person die on purpose. That's griefing. I don't care what personal etiquette they feel was slighted. I'll just report them, I don't need to have a debate in party chat.

Let's keep the playing field even here. YPYT is griefing against one player. Nontanks running ahead of tank to pull is griefing whole party.

[jesseleewelch]

I think the best remedy here is to bring back stiff penalties for dying in pve. That way, people stop being reckless and pulling ahead of tank.

[AmiableApkallu]

This is all making a mountain out of molehill.

If everyone's already running toward a pack of mobs, it borders on irrelevant who gets aggro first. Maybe the healer has to toss out an extra spot heal.

If the tank parks themselves at a pack, and someone runs ahead and aggros more mobs... Well, if they come back, the tank does what they were already doing (AoE), and maybe the healer tosses out some more heals. If they don't bother coming back, then they can enjoy their time in Narnia. (Though, if the tank is at least as competent as a trust tank, they'd run up and grab aggro.)