Opinions on Crystal Tower: Labyrinth of the Ancients and Syrcus Tower

[MicahZerrshia]

After over a decade they are just exhausting to play through. Yes they are faster but pulling a tooth is quicker than getting a filling, doesn't mean I want to do that either. I got Syrcus today and after the first pack I just left. I just do not want to do these dungeons anymore, no matter how face roll easy and fast they are.

As a legacy, I would love to know just how many times I have had to run these boring, tedious hallways of nothing. Same goes for nearly all the non-hard versions of the ARR dungeons. I actively avoid alliance and leveling roulettes most the time, due to them.

[Ishe-P]

I think a big problem that I don't see talked about that much is that level 50 is just not fun to play anymore for many people. Level 50 is now half way through the leveling process and syncing down has really allowed it to show its age. I think if players had more to do then CT runs wouldn't be so bad. Also, it should be pointed out that it takes only 1 person to yoink 23 other people into the content, which goes a long way in why so many people see it so often.

My solutions are these, they don't need to be implemented together, but lets face it they will never happen:

1) Make level 50 funner to play
2) Turn these raids into 8- or 4-man content; they can have mechanics similar to Level 50 Hard Modes for extra spice
3) Increase the level requirement to 70 and scale things up to accommodate the change, if needed. This plays into solution 1 in that you just have more kit to work with.

[AmiableApkallu]

Unironically, I might actually nominate the first corridor of Labyrinth as the best thing in the whole roulette. Even without a meaningful ilvl sync, it's still a joy just watching people regularly get deleted because… who knew that standing in the middle of trash and getting cleaved from all sides might actually hurt?

[XtremePrime]

Is an alliance raid, the very first one!

[Asari5]

tbf if they removed crystal tower from the roulette the new hated raid would be void arc. sure its lvl 60 but that one is just as braindead as syrcus

whiping city and dun scaith? oh yes pls, but the first one? im already tired of that one tbh. i like the aesthetic but its just the kind of design i get tired of a lot faster than other stuff.

[Shistar]

My problem with this is that there are two expansions (and dozens and dozens of hours) of content between CT and ShB. Personally, by the time I got to ShB, I didn't remember a single thing about the CT other than there was a large crystal tower with allagan stuff in it.

I get it, but that's not necessarily the game's fault...
If they made you do it right before ShB you'd be complaining they're "suddenly" asking you to do ARR content that you've had access to for ages, or you would have seen the plot twist coming from 50km away, or idk. If they never made you do it, the point would have a much larger chance to fall flat on its face.

If they make you do it when it's appropriate, you at least have a chance to remember and have some context for the plot twist.

Thus, the point still fell flat on its face because between CT and ShB, we're introduced to dozens of new characters and situations and nary a peep about the inner working of CT.

You literally have a dialogue option to ask the Exarch about G'raha. It's one of the first things your WoL is allowed to tell the Exarch as soon as he gives you some context on the tower. What about the catboy we left in there.

It was the best compromise imho. They should have made the Omega raids obligatory before EW too.

tbf if they removed crystal tower from the roulette the new hated raid would be void arc. sure its lvl 60 but that one is just as braindead as syrcus

whiping city and dun scaith? oh yes pls, but the first one? im already tired of that one tbh. i like the aesthetic but its just the kind of design i get tired of a lot faster than other stuff.

All my homies hate the Void Ark. The only good thing in there is the BGM.

[Garruss]

I don't see what people find an issue with them. I have never had a problem with any of these.

[Supersnow845]

I don't see what people find an issue with them. I have never had a problem with any of these.

They are boring as all hell, what else is there really to say

[Raikai]

They are boring as all hell, what else is there really to say

Not only the encounters are boring and even mindless... But job rotations are like that too at level 50, which makes it even worse.

[RedLolly]

Until and unless the devs require another series of alliance raids for MSQ, we're going to have the issue of getting it 19 out of 20 runs. I actually like the series quite a bit so I'm less frustrated than most from my understanding.

However, what sucks is both Syrcus and WoD had a lot of interesting mechanics that are burned right past now. It's more old instances that are broken from how level syncing works. Syrcus is the most damaged example of phase skipping from gear and stats overpowering us I think in the whole game.