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  1. #41
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    Sunhwapark's Avatar
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    Dear Boy
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    Ragnarok
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    Fisher Lv 100
    GNB is still hilarious. Rampart + Fated Circle/Brand + GNB LB + HoC = laugh and shrug off all the damage, reduce damage dealt by enemies while dealing damage to them, counter attack any incoming damage against you, auto-heal when dipping below 50% and if you don't have LB, you can still throw out fated + hoc and stand in everything while the BLM near you passes out because a MCH sneezed at them.
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  2. #42
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    NevaehQuest's Avatar
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    after being banned I am now a new person, I love the dev I love FFXIV, perfect game 10 out of 10.
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    Nev Noe
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    Hyperion
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    Botanist Lv 100
    tank is not like super op, tanks hp bar can get empty with one sam lb. and if ur at 50% hp and getting hit by everyone nin can also delete you. It is called counter bs with bs. I don't like any of this but hey if it works it works.
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  3. #43
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    Sunhwapark's Avatar
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    Dear Boy
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    Ragnarok
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by NevaehQuest View Post
    It is called counter bs with bs.
    Haha, pretty much it's this.
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  4. #44
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    Genz Kawakami
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    Louisoix
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    White Mage Lv 100
    This supposed "problem" with tanks has the same origin as every other "problems" (like premades) : most players in frontline suck ; because of the absence of tutorial, rewards given for free, no incentive to get better, no default hotbar, the default UI doesn't help, PvE lobotomizes players, etc.

    A swarm of bad players only know how to attack (inefficiently). The best attack isn't needed to kill them, and a good defense will render them completely useless.
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  5. #45
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    Gaiinahat's Avatar
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    Kage Kuchikira
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    Marilith
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 70
    I think it all depends on if your team gives you backup. There are days as a tank I can go blazing in with a good team, and others that just run off and leave me for cannon fodder. I don't expect to get good numbers as a tank, but there are those times (more not than often) it feels good to be able to go in, take all the CC, and let the rest of the team do cleanup.
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  6. #46
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    jesseleewelch's Avatar
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    Jesse Sandor
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    Jenova
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    Marauder Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Genz View Post
    This supposed "problem" with tanks has the same origin as every other "problems" (like premades) : most players in frontline suck ; because of the absence of tutorial, rewards given for free, no incentive to get better, no default hotbar, the default .
    Most players in Frontlines suck because they don't pay attention.

    Did you notice the new node BEFORE the first callout went out about it?

    Did you notice we are not focusing the lead team and really need to be, BEFORE the first callout went out about it?

    Did you notice the incoming pinch BEFORE the first callout went out about it?

    Do you ignore callouts?

    I have seen teams half full of bh5 lose for lack of paying attention.
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  7. #47
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    Esmoire's Avatar
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    Mei Coincounter
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 100
    GNB was already a top tier job in FL. After they got more buffs last patch, I can comfortably say they should probably be dropped down to 40% damage reduction. Especially considering their innate kit gives them near constant damage reduction, healing, shielding, and movement speed.
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  8. #48
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    Picothea's Avatar
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    Thea Pico
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    Zodiark
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    Warrior Lv 100
    I don't know if anyone in this thread has already talked about it, but I also think something should be done about the frankly absurd Guardian + Elixir combo that's possible at the moment. Since Guardian absorbs all damage, somebody else like a Dark Knight who dove into the enemy team can use their elixir while under attack and get away with it. And killing the responsible Paladin in those 4.5 seconds isn't easy either.
    After the Guardian exploit in Danshig Naadam, we really need some caution about what kinds of combinations like this are possible. Premades already have a major advantage in PvP, and these exploits just further squash the chance for other teams to get anywhere.
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  9. #49
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    Valence's Avatar
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    Sunie Dakwhil
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    Twintania
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    Machinist Lv 100
    I can't say I recall a single situation where a DRK required guardian in FL since their whole job is to pull everyone in, and just let the premade do its job. Potentially pop living dead as well.

    Guardian I've seen used by some PLDs in premades to save the ass of their allies when trying to counter them though. And most of the time, this is actually used to cover the DNC because they're extremely vulnerable while channeling Contra.
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  10. #50
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    Atreus Auditore
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    Faerie
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    As a PLD main, I do wish we'd move away from designing the job around Cover/Guardian.
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