I wish the game would focus on being for medcore players more.

[RedLolly]

Hard disagree. Occult Crescent CE's would be midcore difficulty. Time spent playing the game is not Light-core, mid-core and hard-core and should never be viewed as such.

I agree with this. OC, and the relic grinds in general, should be midcore. They are intended to be longer grinds that can be completed by all skill levels. It's the type of side-content for everyone that the game sorely needs. There is a story. It has a unique spin on the battle content. You can work at your own pace. It's a good idea on paper.

Linking EW's relics to the Hildibrand series and making the grind pure tomestones only practically traumatized most of us, but now there is this awful mentality that the current grind is too hard when the last one was uncharacteristically piss easy, and having tomes as a part of it (which was a thing in past relics) freaking some players out. If anything we should be in OC more for it, but it's not finished yet.

[Bryson]

Hard disagree. Occult Crescent CE's would be midcore difficulty. Time spent playing the game is not Light-core, mid-core and hard-core and should never be viewed as such.

lol god no. OC is giga casual... there is nothing in OC that inhibits a casual player from engaging in it. Not on that, but I had casuals (don't do savage at all) in my FT clear (and reclear) group. Midcore is an arbitrary term NA made up. If something is "too hard" for them it's "midcore" and if it's "too easy" for them it becomes casual. That's not how it works at all.

[Raesha]

I don't even hope to clear an ultimate raid. It's not even on my list of things to do, because I know it's not possible for me due to the difficulty of the content.

If you took the time to learn and practice UWU you could clear it within a month, just cause somthing has a ultimate tag on it does not mean its hard content, Every piece of content in this game has the same 8 base mechs just remixed a little bit.

Its also sad when people assume that a fight having a slight Variance in it means its not a "Scripted" fight anymore, All fights in 14 are scripted even if they have moments when you can have Mech A B OR C

[Absurdity]

If you took the time to learn and practice UWU you could clear it within a month, just cause somthing has a ultimate tag on it does not mean its hard content, Every piece of content in this game has the same 8 base mechs just remixed a little bit.

UWU is probably not the best example for this. It used to be a proper difficult ultimate when it released, but years of job and potency changes have not been kind to that fight.

It's a bit of a meme when people say "X ultimate used to be harder in Y expansion" but it's not exactly wrong. Our potencies have only gone up across the board, even for low level abilities, jobs have become both more powerful and easier to play at the same time and newer gear allows you to hit stat caps when synced down that were just impossible in the past.

[Bryson]

Just because ex trials are trivial to you at this point, doesn't mean it's not midcore or casual. Casual battle content is anything queueable and part of the roulette rotation. That is already established. And although you can technically queue for them, they are not a part of the rotation. Savage raids are punishing in the fact they require perfection or nothing. Body checks ongoing for every other mechanic (light parties and pairs) on top of mechanics that require you to stand in this specific spot or wipe the group for your mistake. Extremes have more leeway in that often, a single death does not mean you are causing a wipe and it's more easily recoverable while still being a bit challenging. Ultimate raiders will see Ex trails as "casual" because it is trivial for them. It's easy. While they are a bit pushed in savage raids. So to them, savage might be "midcore". But to the casual midcore player, savage raids are about the hardest content they will step foot in.

I don't even hope to clear an ultimate raid. It's not even on my list of things to do, because I know it's not possible for me due to the difficulty of the content. I have cleared every extreme so far in this expansion, and last tier, I wasn't able to even clear m3s through PF at all. I didn't even attempt to set foot in this tier's savage because I refuse to go through that again. And PF being able to clear a savage tier quick really depends on who's in PF. If you wait a few months to try, you won't get the same people in PF as when the content was initially released. You get the exact kind of person you are. A casual midcore type player setting foot into savage for the first time. These people are not clearing the tier in just 2 weeks. That's been my experience.

I was a giga casual ARR - Alphascape.. due to irl time constraints i barely played.. still cleared savage here and there in pf.. never thought it was "hardcore" at all.. I don't move the goal post relative to myself.

and actually you can clear and ultimate.. especially legacy ults like ucob and uwu.. while you may not think you can (imo this is due to false information regarding their difficulty.. especially expansions later).. i believe you can..
There's a difference between "i can't" and "i refuse to study and put in the time to position myself to be able to clear it " (not saying you refuse to study, but some do, and conflate that with not being able to clear)

[Raesha]

UWU is probably not the best example for this. It used to be a proper difficult ultimate when it released, but years of job and potency changes have not been kind to that fight.

It's a bit of a meme when people say "X ultimate used to be harder in Y expansion" but it's not exactly wrong. Our potencies have only gone up across the board, even for low level abilities, jobs have become both more powerful and easier to play at the same time and newer gear allows you to hit stat caps when synced down that were just impossible in the past.

Wouldnt that make UWU the best example for this considering the discussion is about how accessible the content is?

[Absurdity]

Wouldnt that make UWU the best example for this considering the discussion is about how accessible the content is?

I might've read that wrong, yeah.

Although while UWU is pretty accessible now, it's not really indicative of ultimates as a whole, or even UWU itself as it was intended to be.
I hightly doubt the devs ever planned to have older ultimates be that accessible, it's just a side effect of changes to the game and them not going back to adjust those fights.

You're probably correct though that you could clear UWU within a month nowadays, especially once you understand how most mechanics are just a remix of the same 8 or so basic mechanics.

[IhzaMhaskova]

There is very little hard content in the game.

Ultimates and Savage. That's it. That's the whole thing.

Savage is just the normal raid encounters with some tweaked mechanics (sometimes something fun like M7S adds phase) but Ultimate is the only truly unique hard content lol.

Extreme is a smaller challenge but even a very bad player can fumble their way through those.

[BlisteringFrost]

lol god no. OC is giga casual... there is nothing in OC that inhibits a casual player from engaging in it. Not on that, but I had casuals (don't do savage at all) in my FT clear (and reclear) group. Midcore is an arbitrary term NA made up. If something is "too hard" for them it's "midcore" and if it's "too easy" for them it becomes casual. That's not how it works at all.

Casual means they don't care if they beat it or not ultimately, they just wanna be there and try to do it.

Midcore means they fully intend to beat it, possibly even within a reasoned time frame. They WILL put in the work to clear the content they are doing too, but they're not too fussed over how long it takes either, they know they'll get it.

Hardcore means they intend to beat it, quickly, and to beat it very efficiently, usually with a meta composition (nobody can play Machinist).

Any further and you have week 1 / world first raiders.

[Asari5]

maybe we should just accept the fact that 'midcore' has different meanings.
if someone means it related to time, diffivulty, behaviour or whatever is often recognizable in the context... it also changes depenfing if we use it for cobtent or the players themselves.
so maybe concentrate on that rather than having this midcore discussion for the 1000th time.