I wish the game would focus on being for medcore players more.

[VeyaAkemi]

I don't think Valence was saying that dungeons and normal Trials are all there is to the game, rather that when argue for what the baseline is, which is to say, the lowest common denominator, the base that everyone engages with, then yes, dungeons and trails absolutely are baseline, acting like Savage is in any way, shape, or form "baseline" is ridiculous, regardless how you feel about the difficulty, Savage is literally the second highest difficulty content in the game, behind Ultimates, it is pretty high up in the tier list.

[Myotis]

I don't think Valence was saying that dungeons and normal Trials are all there is to the game, rather that when argue for what the baseline is, which is to say, the lowest common denominator, the base that everyone engages with, then yes, dungeons and trails absolutely are baseline, acting like Savage is in any way, shape, or form "baseline" is ridiculous, regardless how you feel about the difficulty, Savage is literally the second highest difficulty content in the game, behind Ultimates, it is pretty high up in the tier list.

Mine feedback towards the fights would be to make them more accessible and reach a higher % of total clears. - making a game what targets 5-7% of total playerbase does lead us... To what we have today.
Nobody does lose anything if more people can participate in acitvities. - Way more people right now fear entering the EX / SAV than ever before.

Overall the base game could have a little bit higher difficulity however the end one is fine as FSR.

Savage after certain period of time feels way more like a longterm struggle than actually something fun to do at least to me and people i meet they simply quit.

[Kandraxx]

What is medcore? Most players who raid and are on PC (majority) are using cheats conveniently called "QoL Plugins" to varying degrees of severity, from a relatively tame hitbox display and camera hack to full-on <snip> that paints all mechanics on your screen 10 seconds before they happen. IMO they should just stop trying at all because these people only want the show-off. (Which if you think about it, is absolutely pathetic).

Actually <snip> now seems to be some sort of baseline standard-issue because the amount of people who insta-react and make out tiny safe spots before the mechanic even begins to unfold has gotten laughable.

[boigerking]

defines it for msq andies maybe.. there's more to the game than fetch quests and logging of until the next series of fetch quests are released 19 weeks later. you have a very reductive take on what an expansion consists of.

There's more to the game than doing just Savage and Ultimate raids as well. Even if more people have cleared this content, that's still only less than 15% of the playerbase.

[Bryson]

MWay more people right now fear entering the EX / SAV than ever before.

Where'd you get this info from? people cleared the tier in pf week 2.. the clears rates for savage have gone up relative to previous tiers. FRU is also the easiest ultimate in in years.

DT is the most casual friendly expansion ever.

[Bryson]

There's more to the game than doing just Savage and Ultimate raids as well. Even if more people have cleared this content, that's still only less than 15% of the playerbase.

The only "playerbase" metric that remotely matters is active players (luckybancho census).

People should care less about what strangers are and aren't doing, and more about how they have fun.

[Dastan]

All I ask for is challenging content where one death or mistake doesn't cause a catastrophe and wipe the group. If they can expand the difficulty of Extreme trials into other content, reward other types of gear, and reward personal skill expression, that would be considered midcore to me. Right now, Ex trials are the only from of "midcore" content I have. I have tried to step foot into savage, but became overly frustrated when I 100% learned the fight, only for one person to make a slight mistake, and now the whole group is dead. That's not midcore content.

[Bryson]

All I ask for is challenging content where one death or mistake doesn't cause a catastrophe and wipe the group. If they can expand the difficulty of Extreme trials into other content, reward other types of gear, and reward personal skill expression, that would be considered midcore to me. Right now, Ex trials are the only from of "midcore" content I have. I have tried to step foot into savage, but became overly frustrated when I 100% learned the fight, only for one person to make a slight mistake, and now the whole group is dead. That's not midcore content.

savage is midcore.. don't let na casuals convince you otherwise. the tier was cleared week 2 in pf. nothing "hc" about that.

[Dastan]

savage is midcore.. don't let na casuals convince you otherwise. the tier was cleared week 2 in pf. nothing "hc" about that.

Just because ex trials are trivial to you at this point, doesn't mean it's not midcore or casual. Casual battle content is anything queueable and part of the roulette rotation. That is already established. And although you can technically queue for them, they are not a part of the rotation. Savage raids are punishing in the fact they require perfection or nothing. Body checks ongoing for every other mechanic (light parties and pairs) on top of mechanics that require you to stand in this specific spot or wipe the group for your mistake. Extremes have more leeway in that often, a single death does not mean you are causing a wipe and it's more easily recoverable while still being a bit challenging. Ultimate raiders will see Ex trails as "casual" because it is trivial for them. It's easy. While they are a bit pushed in savage raids. So to them, savage might be "midcore". But to the casual midcore player, savage raids are about the hardest content they will step foot in.

I don't even hope to clear an ultimate raid. It's not even on my list of things to do, because I know it's not possible for me due to the difficulty of the content. I have cleared every extreme so far in this expansion, and last tier, I wasn't able to even clear m3s through PF at all. I didn't even attempt to set foot in this tier's savage because I refuse to go through that again. And PF being able to clear a savage tier quick really depends on who's in PF. If you wait a few months to try, you won't get the same people in PF as when the content was initially released. You get the exact kind of person you are. A casual midcore type player setting foot into savage for the first time. These people are not clearing the tier in just 2 weeks. That's been my experience.

[RedLolly]

From what I was hearing was that EX/Savage in DT is easier, while the MSQ content is harder. Essentially, there is now less distance between the difficulties. Apparently, few are happy with this (MSQ too hard, Savage too easy), instead of it bridging a gap between the levels of play.

What I feel is missing is the side content just isn't there like it used to be. Chocobo Racing or Verminion could both use total rehauls to make them appealing for more players, or a new minigame. Like Chess or something. I don't really know. It's just old and abandoned instead of trying to make something good out it. If they refuse to give us snowboarding or blitzball they can at least make what is already built better!

We also got interesting side-quest series in earlier expansions. ARR had the Moogle Mail questline with lots of lore heavy and interesting short stories, and Hildibrand's ARR adventure actually had a spin-off in the Scholasticate mystery in HW. I really miss that kind of thing. Tural REALLY could've used something akin to that to flesh it out after our short time there before Alexandria monopolized the story for the rest of DT. If stuff like Cosmic Exploration is meant to replace it, cool, but where's my story?