Get rid of SAM Limit break gimmick already (FL)

[DendrielConcade]

SAM is kind of fundamentally a mess in my opinion. I really don't like classes that have counters, let alone SAM's not only being a 33% MIT, not only being a Damage Reflection ability, but also giving SAM a buff against said target for 25% DMG. I really don't like the concept of a class that you lose against if you interact with them and you basically are forced to idle for 4s or you lose trades with them. All of that and I didn't even mention their Limit, which is just one massive gimmick with an alright Limit under the hood. I'd just take the 24k that's Un-guardable and it would be perfectly workable without the instant-kill.

[Vatom]

Wait till that too become a problem lol. If so note I said it first

[MayuAmakura]

SAM is kind of fundamentally a mess in my opinion. I really don't like classes that have counters, let alone SAM's not only being a 33% MIT, not only being a Damage Reflection ability, but also giving SAM a buff against said target for 25% DMG. I really don't like the concept of a class that you lose against if you interact with them and you basically are forced to idle for 4s or you lose trades with them. All of that and I didn't even mention their Limit, which is just one massive gimmick with an alright Limit under the hood. I'd just take the 24k that's Un-guardable and it would be perfectly workable without the instant-kill.

Unfortunately Samurai was buffed many times in the recent patches. They probably want this job to stay strong as it is. I'm not saying samurai is really busted, but this class does have some weaknesses. Specially once you play against better experienced players. You have a casting time for most abilities and in some maps you'll find it rather difficult to hit anyone and you'll be constantly CC'd by ranges. In higher elo people usually focus you first and once your defenses are down, it's pretty much gg.

This job currently is OK I'd say only for the fact that Samurai's LB is now way harder to hit due to massive amount of shields that many classes have now + purify changes.

[MayuAmakura]

in a cc setting may be, I didn't think samurai lb is op, but the randomness nature of it is very annoying. Drg can just do a dive, did a hoar roar and die because it hits a random sam 10 yards away. Sometimes not even from the gc that u were intended to engage.

By dive you mean Dragoon's LB? If so you realize that your LB gives you a big shield once you fall down? If samurai directly tries to LB you once he marks you, he will fail due to your excessive shield. So this is a terrible idea to do as a Samurai against Dragoon at any point. Don't do this or you'll get laughed at.

[MayuAmakura]

your so call counter is mostly a one on one situation, mostly happens in cc, in fl u were getting hit by every random things, it is very hard to have your hp100% full time. if your hp are going up and down around 80%- 90% during engagement, shield won't save u. You can be as careful as possible and still get randomly oneshot by a sam in a chaotic alliance engagement. Like I said its not op, just annoying

I just don't feel like Samurai is busted with its LB when we have range classes that are untouchable, don't you think? How about we nerf Machinist that can constantly do 1/2 million+ damage easily without too much effort? It's a class that can just relax and shot from afar and get 17+ kills like its nothing. Samurai isn't even close to being broken in FL. Tanks are those pals that carry the game.

Even in FL you will miss a lot of Sam's LB if people know how to bait you with shields. Also shields will save you depending how big they are. a WHM shield is 8k / 16 if CC removed. enough to save you since every class will most likely do recuperate to be 100% hp anyways. Black mage has quite strong shield so even if you sit at 80% or so HP, you'll still survive because your shields count as HP.

[pathetica]

Not sure why but I've never had a problem with SAM LBs, most of the time I see them whiff it through all the chaos. When do I see successful zannies into a clump of my alliance, I usually rejoice cause damn that was actually cool! But yeah honestly I barely see that, if anything I see more DNCs murdering more people than anything!

Personally when I see a SAM run in with their frontliners, I pop shield role action and gap close out, that's the melees problems now :')) Or if I'm playing melee, I'll hit them just to bait it away from the alliance and hope no one else was around me that hit chiten too

[NevaehQuest]

By dive you mean Dragoon's LB? If so you realize that your LB gives you a big shield once you fall down? If samurai directly tries to LB you once he marks you, he will fail due to your excessive shield. So this is a terrible idea to do as a Samurai against Dragoon at any point. Don't do this or you'll get laughed at.

Just meaning diving into the enemies with Horrid Roar. It has a very far reach and very likely to hit a random chiten. Drg dosen't have any other shield beside the lb. If anything Sam lbing a drg is good target because drg cannot use shield beside that one lb.

Well at this point I don't care... I don't think sam lb is op. If you think fighting sam is fun then is all good. I bet everyone love playing that mind game with sam players 24/7. It's the most fun thing to do in fl, if anything I want to fight 24 sam at once. Making it 24 times fun.

[Dogempire]

I wouldn't mind the LB gimmick as much if they didn't make the cast time so short, janky netcode means that you can't stun them out of their LB unless you have future sight and extremely precise timing. If you see the Samurai coming up to very obviously LB by jumping into your team and you stun them, what happens is that they get the LB off and then they get stunned after one shotting 3 of your teammates.