Get rid of SAM Limit break gimmick already (FL)

[NevaehQuest]

The keyword 'discourage'. Its fun for the sam but not fun for everyone else. It breaks the flow of combat for everyone, and makes the game feels clunky. You can accidently hit into a gnb nebular or pld invuln but you won't get oneshoted, and you can just swap target right away and still keep having fun. Sam lb however its very annoying to counter cause you really have to stop hitting em unless you have somekinda shield in your cd ready to be use and you have to be at 100% hp(and it is still very risky). So when your fighting a sam with lb and chiten ready you literally had to considering stop attacking. Anything that stop me from attacking is just lame. No mention you can just accidently hit em with your aoe. Have you ever play any action game that keeps the player second guessing on hitting the enemies. Imagine you are playing devil may cry or nier autotma and there is this one enemy type keep repeatedly showing up that can oneshot you if you hit em, that won't be fun right?

Moreover, chiten became telegraphed is pointless in cc because a good sam knows they only use chiten the moment the enemeis start attacking. And in fl there is no way you can predict when that one sam within the 24 enemies just started to use chiten randomly. The moment you saw the telegraph happen you are already dead anyway.

[EmilySummerstar]

I would like an answer from SE as to what they consider counter play to that LB. The standard response has been "don't cast AoE if you think there's a SAM..." When I do get KO because of AoE, I've never had the reaction of "Damn, he got me. Well played." It just never stops feeling cheap.

[Valence]

Counterplay is shields. A lot of classes have easily accessible shields. If you see a SAM and are in a frontline position where your shields would get eaten by anybody who's already attacking you or cleaving around you, then retreat first. If you're a little behind and not being attacked, move closer, attack the SAM specifically in an obvious manner, and pop your barrier. The less chaos and people around you, the easier it is to bait. Make sure to have recuperates and enough to heal yourself after.

[Sunhwapark]

"don't cast AoE if you think there's a SAM..." When I do get KO because of AoE.

If you confirm there is a Samurai, make use of the Mark Target feature, people seem to forget this but it's incredibly useful feature.
And as Valence has said, it's easier to fight them in clearer spaces, or with shields - some skills can trick them into premature LB too (At least, the players that untarget everything to try and guarantee a kill), stuff like MCH's Wildfire application, RPR's Death Warrant and MNK's Thunderclap are pretty good cases where you can attempt to trick them into wasting their LB.

[NevaehQuest]

What you are saying is that, completely changes ones playstyle because of one single person within a 24 enemies alliance party. ok

[Vatom]

If you confirm there is a Samurai, make use of the Mark Target feature, people seem to forget this but it's incredibly useful feature.
And as Valence has said, it's easier to fight them in clearer spaces, or with shields - some skills can trick them into premature LB too (At least, the players that untarget everything to try and guarantee a kill), stuff like MCH's Wildfire application, RPR's Death Warrant and MNK's Thunderclap are pretty good cases where you can attempt to trick them into wasting their LB.

Might as well stop with the advice my friend. They won't listen

[Sunhwapark]

What you are saying is that, completely changes ones playstyle because of one single person within a 24 enemies alliance party. ok

No. I'm saying change your playstyle against any enemies you fight, it's not an alien concept - especially in PvP because you're not fighting scripted NPCs.
Valence already gave you the answer for Samurai. Shields. Have a shield that can be activated promptly on your class ? Then you can pretty aggressively - if you don't then you need to be more mindful of your enemies, or just accept the death sentence.

Might as well stop with the advice my friend. They won't listen

Well, I tried, but I don't think their approach will be good for playing most content in the game.

[Elephantality]

If you confirm there is a Samurai, make use of the Mark Target feature, people seem to forget this but it's incredibly useful feature.

You know what? I'll try to start doing that.

[Trevski]

I just think that, every kills need to at least has a process to reach a certain condition to feel fair and cool. Mnk can oneshot people if they have their phantom rush up, and because you can see their combo animation, there are ways to counter it. Nin lb require 50% hp, so people will starting try to pay attention to their hp when a nin lb is up, and even trying to do counter healing. And all those kill feels kinda cool because all the conditions had meet, something powerful had unleashed. Just like the Mononoke anime, by uncovering the Form, Truth, and Reason of the mononoke the protagonist will be able to unleash his sword and do the oneshot kill . It is my fav anime and I think that is oneshot kill done right. I think when a mnk oneshot me with an lb and phantom rush, I think its very cool. I can respect that.

But sam's lb, is very lame. its just 'oh u hit me u die, bye bye'. I see a sam I think they are lame. They are addicted to that lame oneshot, not the cool oneshot.
I got second hand cringe everytime I saw a sam with a pocket healer, diving in and kill a bunch of new players in fl. Its just so lame...

Look for the Chiten debuff on you. Stop attacking and run away. You can also try to CC a SAM as they usually toss out their LB right as Chiten (or Guard, if they dive a team and immediately Guard up.)

If the Chiten debuff falls off, they don't get the insta-KO, so simply stalling it out is usually enough to neuter a SAM.

I've been Zanked and survived, and I've also avoided getting Zanked.

Yeah if you aren't paying attention you're going to get deleted on demand, but there are things you can do to avoid getting murdered by it.

[Valence]

What you are saying is that, completely changes ones playstyle because of one single person within a 24 enemies alliance party. ok

That's what you do with most jobs. If you see a DRK you won't play around them the same way, if you see a MCH with BH you better be ready to eat a nasty shot, if you see a NIN you better make sure never to drop below 50%, if you see a MNK be ready to get stunlocked into meteo or even knocked into their team, etc.

But i'm gonna say that as I played some SAM in FL (like a lot of jobs) even the good players (premades, etc) still eat Zantetsukens like there is no tomorrow. The only ones that don't seem to take the bait are SAM players themselves in a mirror, and even then sometimes they still do. In their case it's just them being cocky and unused to actual resistance, but in the case of the majority of casuals in FL, it's just a lack of knowledge like for a lot of other LBs. Even if they know about it, they still get hit because they don't have the situational awareness to notice and get overwhelmed. I can perfectly understand that. Like in CC Zantetsuken has always been a killer in low ranks as well for that reason. But even at high level people know the SAM has LB ready, the SAM is marked with an ignore mark, and there is someone still bound at some point in time to cleave them and eat it.