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  1. #11
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    HammAndCheese's Avatar
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    Hammy Fields
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    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 100
    If I remember correctly there were some steps of the ShB relic that weren't tied to Bozja at all or had a Bozja option, it was a bunch of Stormblood FATEs with no other way to do it, which was also a one time thing. Their internal data probably showed a lack of people running these 4 roulettes specifically so they made it a relic step. Personally I'm tired of doing the same CEs ad nauseam and the only reason I go into OC now is to do FT, which after my next ten clears I wont touch the content again until 7.4. I haven't touched roulettes in months so it gives me a reason to actually run them so I'm content with this light step.
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  2. #12
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    ovIm's Avatar
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    Vim Mercer
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    Alpha
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    This would be much less of a problem if class gameplay was actually interesting and engaging in lower levels tbh. Not that the jobs are really engaging at max level either, but its much worse when you don't have your full kit.
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    RIP Viper 28/06/2024 - 30/07/2024. It was a fun month.

  3. #13
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    Jeeqbit's Avatar
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    Jenova
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    Warrior Lv 100
    They are getting us to do old content because when they make us do new content, people complain.

    That's right, I said people complain about us having to do new content for the relic. There were people that didn't want to do Eureka. There were people that didn't want to do Bozja (the new content) so they farmed Crystal Tower and O3 instead. There were people that didn't want to do Occult Crescent so they farmed FATEs outside it instead.

    So there is this consistent anti-new content camp for some reason that want the farm to be really quick and really braindead and involve raids like Crystal Tower. I don't get it, but of course SE is listening to those voices as well.
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  4. #14
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    Raoabolic's Avatar
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    Raogrimm Ironfist
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    They are getting us to do old content because when they make us do new content, people complain.

    That's right, I said people complain about us having to do new content for the relic. There were people that didn't want to do Eureka. There were people that didn't want to do Bozja (the new content) so they farmed Crystal Tower and O3 instead. There were people that didn't want to do Occult Crescent so they farmed FATEs outside it instead.

    So there is this consistent anti-new content camp for some reason that want the farm to be really quick and really braindead and involve raids like Crystal Tower. I don't get it, but of course SE is listening to those voices as well.
    I hate to admit, but I can see why Yoshida gives people options when it comes to relic farming. There are those that will always go the optimized route (unsynced whatever for 30-45s clears), those that will engage the new content (eureka/bozja), and those that will go the inefficient but braindead route (I just wanna Netflix n' CT bro).
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  5. #15
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    AmiableApkallu's Avatar
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    Tatanpa Nononpa
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    Zalera
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    They are getting us to do old content because when they make us do new content, people complain.
    The solution to this is fairly simple, and it's not unknown to SE: If we need to acquire X, there should be at least two distinct means of doing so.

    That doesn't necessarily mean that any given player will find an option they like, but at least they can choose the option they dislike the least.

    For example, spitballing, instead of Gerolt flatly telling us, "the aether in south horn is too unstable," it could have been, "the aether here is unstable, but if you can go get X, Y, Z, maybe I can build you a stabilizer."
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  6. #16
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    Aelin Ashriver
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    Zodiark
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    Monk Lv 100
    The fact the steps major part is just roulettes is ew. I have been playing so long now I did my share of daily roulettes enough to make me wanna be sick doing them regularly now. Very sad to see I can't do fates or literally anything else. I kept my jobs a lower level expecting to be able to level them with the relic content and what a let down that turned out to be.
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  7. #17
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    Hallarem's Avatar
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    Hallarem Aurealis
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    Omega
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    They recycle everything. Including the npc's, music and stuff. Its partially understandable, but a lot of it is just straight up lazy to streamline. What did Yoshi P say again? 7.1-7.3 took one month to write up?

    They said they were "rushing because of "Shadowbringers success" And after the rushed mess that was Endwalker and Dawntrail, I keep asking myself and the universe. "Why?" Why would you rush instead of taking your time to release quality and innovation and good well paced storytelling. I guess the simple answer might be quick bucks vs longterm gains and goodwill. And funding and rushing other projects, including ff16. Gods is this company tiring to even attempt to support with their dumbass decisionmaking. I honestly think they wouldve fired people if they could afford to. But apparently Japan has "no devs" interested in them.
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  8. #18
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    Reimmi's Avatar
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    Nia Niyah
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    Hyperion
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    Dancer Lv 100
    They wouldn't need to use relics as old content fuel if they would update roulette rewards
    Other than exp, they are practically worthless since hunts are infinitely faster for tome cap
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  9. #19
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    Moonlite's Avatar
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    Midnight Falcon
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    Balmung
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    Pugilist Lv 100
    Some of this content should be at launch of expansion and not so deep in. If people were farming xp or fate ranks doing relics wouldn't be so bad. Same with crafting the rewards are garbage if you are leveled, if it was available at launch and you were getting xp and doing a bunch of the grind it would probably feel more productive. Or at least a little less waist of time. Relics and crafter stuff doesn't need to be BiS, but having it at launch would fill out the launch way more.
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  10. #20
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    A'zalie Nitsah
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    Louisoix
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 100
    I'm more upset with the how tone deaf this is...

    We complain we lack content with shelf life, that there is nothing to do but the freaking same roulettes we do ad nauseam...

    And we get roulettes in the new step. At this point they're trolling us.
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