Get rid of SAM Limit break gimmick already (FL)

[Divinemights]

People complain about SAM LB being broken but ignore how NIN can literally get multikills at 50% or lower

Ninja’s Limit Break is limited by the player’s ability to target properly.
It becomes ineffective when the user’s HP is above 50%.
Since most players rarely let their HP drop below 50%, this makes it largely impractical.

[Bonoki]

Ninja’s Limit Break is limited by the player’s ability to target properly.
It becomes ineffective when the user’s HP is above 50%.
Since most players rarely let their HP drop below 50%, this makes it largely impractical.

And yet it's Ninjas more than any other job that I see get 20 or more kills regularly with zero deaths.
Sams usually get targeted and killed after using their LBs, whereas Ninjas typically have the tools to get away.

In my opinion, both are a problem, but for different reasons. I'd also say MCH's LB is also a problem, but not as much as these two.

[MayuAmakura]

Ninja’s Limit Break is limited by the player’s ability to target properly.
It becomes ineffective when the user’s HP is above 50%.
Since most players rarely let their HP drop below 50%, this makes it largely impractical.

Yes but Ninja is always a problem. Specially now when people spam plugins in their pvp matches. Yes people do cheat in pvp and this is what makes this class very toxic. Square has to keep it in the middle way of balancing. Another issue is that ninja lb can promote bad players to win their games despite 1000 mistakes they have done.

[MayuAmakura]

Samurai's lb is very easily countered these days that it's not even considered as OP anymore.

Scholar, White mage, Sage, Red mage, Warrior, Dragoon and many more now have shields that will counter Sam's lb. We nowdays see more and more Samurai players failing their LB's.

[NevaehQuest]

Samurai's lb is very easily countered these days that it's not even considered as OP anymore.

Scholar, White mage, Sage, Red mage, Warrior, Dragoon and many more now have shields that will counter Sam's lb. We nowdays see more and more Samurai players failing their LB's.

in a cc setting may be, I didn't think samurai lb is op, but the randomness nature of it is very annoying. Drg can just do a dive, did a hoar roar and die because it hits a random sam 10 yards away. Sometimes not even from the gc that u were intended to engage.

[NevaehQuest]

Samurai's lb is very easily countered these days that it's not even considered as OP anymore.

Scholar, White mage, Sage, Red mage, Warrior, Dragoon and many more now have shields that will counter Sam's lb. We nowdays see more and more Samurai players failing their LB's.

your so call counter is mostly a one on one situation, mostly happens in cc, in fl u were getting hit by every random things, it is very hard to have your hp100% full time. if your hp are going up and down around 80%- 90% during engagement, shield won't save u. You can be as careful as possible and still get randomly oneshot by a sam in a chaotic alliance engagement. Like I said its not op, just annoying

[Vatom]

At this point just remove it. It's not that good in cc and people still crying about it even after chiten been telegraphed. I mean what else can we do? If you suggest reducing its DMG just say delete Sam cause that what we're doing. Simple fix make it a line aoe like your precious whm and have it do like 20-30k done. Reduce it's build up timer by 5-10s balanced. Cause this discussion is no longer worth reading.

[NevaehQuest]

its worth reading because this post is the proof that dev doesn't care, 88K views and lasted 3 years

[NevaehQuest]

I just think that, every kills need to at least has a process to reach a certain condition to feel fair and cool. Mnk can oneshot people if they have their phantom rush up, and because you can see their combo animation, there are ways to counter it. Nin lb require 50% hp, so people will starting try to pay attention to their hp when a nin lb is up, and even trying to do counter healing. And all those kill feels kinda cool because all the conditions had meet, something powerful had unleashed. Just like the Mononoke anime, by uncovering the Form, Truth, and Reason of the mononoke the protagonist will be able to unleash his sword and do the oneshot kill . It is my fav anime and I think that is oneshot kill done right. I think when a mnk oneshot me with an lb and phantom rush, I think its very cool. I can respect that.

But sam's lb, is very lame. its just 'oh u hit me u die, bye bye'. I see a sam I think they are lame. They are addicted to that lame oneshot, not the cool oneshot.
I got second hand cringe everytime I saw a sam with a pocket healer, diving in and kill a bunch of new players in fl. Its just so lame...

[SalamanderIX]

Since Chiten became telgraphed, they should just do away with it already.

But that does mean they'll have to buff Samurai and make it actually good this time... I hope it keeps some of that asymmetric offense, it was my favorite job for disrupting the backline, since Samurai break debuffs, discourage engage with Chiten, or otherwise stall a lot.