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  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crafoutis View Post
    I say good riddance and let them all leave, this space, like any space, is only made better by their absence.
    good riddence to more than 270k players that's more than 3 million usd square stands to lose
    you may be willing to pay 25+ a month to get rid of the add on users but I am sure a lot of us less needlessly spiteful players are not.
    14 is not even worth 15 usd a month at this point, an anti cheat would likely cause performance issues awful take.

    this guy is a prime example of why viera hats were a mistake.
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  2. #102
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahnha View Post
    good riddence to more than 270k players that's more than 3 million usd square stands to lose
    you may be willing to pay 25+ a month to get rid of the add on users but I am sure a lot of us less needlessly spiteful players are not.
    14 is not even worth 15 usd a month at this point, an anti cheat would likely cause performance issues awful take.

    this guy is a prime example of why viera hats were a mistake.
    In no way in hell all the users of Mare will stop playing. The vast majority won't and will continue only in the client side, like before. It's even certain that the "270k" have many that don't truly used Mare.

    And I'm quite amused by all those who say "it's all about money".
    So you mean that a company is running a game whose economy is based on : a subscription and a virtual store will act when one of those two sources of is endangered by mods ? They aren't running a charity ?

    *surprise pikachu face*

    You also all know, I'm sure, that in many countries, using mods to use paid, and therefore licensed virtual content is simply theft ?

    It's a great statement from Yoshida that is telling basically : what is the fight club that everybody is talking about ? There should not be a fight club, *wink wink wink*, as it should be.
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  3. #103
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zackneifein View Post
    In no way in hell all the users of Mare will stop playing. The vast majority won't and will continue only in the client side, like before. It's even certain that the "270k" have many that don't truly used Mare.

    And I'm quite amused by all those who say "it's all about money".
    So you mean that a company is running a game whose economy is based on : a subscription and a virtual store will act when one of those two sources of is endangered by mods ? They aren't running a charity ?



    *surprise pikachu face*

    You also all know, I'm sure, that in many countries, using mods to use paid, and therefore licensed virtual content is simply theft ?

    It's a great statement from Yoshida that is telling basically : what is the fight club that everybody is talking about ? There should not be a fight club, *wink wink wink*, as it should be.
    more than 270k was the figure the plug in dev gave in the interview then note it was just one plug in we don't know how many people use other stuffs.

    The person i was replying to wanted all of those people off the game which is a poor take.

    I'm gonna keep saying it; a better take and action on square's part would have been to give personal accountability to people that were belligerent TOS breakers like the guy that got banned for using ACT on stream back in 2019 you don't see people using it anymore but they still claim to use it same thing for the ERP club mare advertisements in shout chat banning these people or at least punishing them would have cut down on a lot of nonsense and it would have padded them from the fallout of just axing the plug in out of the blue.

    Yeah maybe not the full 270k will leave but square doesn't want even 30k it's a lot of money to lose, they just got done begging us to buy cash shop items or sub costs would be considered for increase while putting a sale on the mog station. lol

    they're already bleeding subs and they are acting hungry because of it.

    You better believe to them it is all about money share holders don't care about laws they don't care about how you feel what is right what is wrong, that we had a discussion of what they should do or shouldn't all they care about and in extension square is; are profits this week, better than last week's? If they are down the share holders are mad and square is not happy with that. It's why they C&D'd mare and why they came out with this weak "we understand and won't chase you over modding letter" after the fact, because yes Balmung is easier to get into those people that spent the at least the last 2 years? (Idk about plug ins well) sharing their charas are not as interested in RP w/o being able to do so charas to one another and in the end Square allowed this to grow to that point to begin with.
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    Last edited by Kahnha; 08-30-2025 at 09:16 AM.

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  5. #104
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahnha View Post
    I'm gonna keep saying it; a better take and action on square's part would have been to give personal accountability to people that were belligerent TOS breakers like the guy that got banned for using ACT on stream back in 2019 you don't see people using it anymore but they still claim to use it same thing for the ERP club mare advertisements in shout chat banning these people or at least punishing them would have cut down on a lot of nonsense and it would have padded them from the fallout of just axing the plug in out of the blue.
    Do you realize how impossible it is ? It's extremely hard to prove the use of Mare. It would require a lot of time, investigations and peoples (and so money) to even slightly have an impact. And when advertising in Limsa would become too dangerous, they would simply rely on forums & discords. Removing Mare solve the problem entirely.

    And you don't take into consideration two things that is said, and that is of implacable logic :
    - Like it or not, allowing other players to see mog station stuff or difficult content gear is breaking the game mechanics and economy, why pay something you can have for free ? Why bother doing hard-content in a game where stats barely matter and glamour is all there is at the end ? What about those who already paid for this content ?
    - You didn't even take into consideration what he said about other countries legislation going more and more strict. The day FFXIV is banned from a country or become 18+ killing it effectively, they will lose much more money and potential money that closing Mare will ever do. And players from those countires will only have their eyes to cry. If he talked about it, it's more that likely the legal departement of Square Enix warned them that it was a possibility to prevent at all cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kahnha View Post
    Yeah maybe not the full 270k will leave but square doesn't want even 30k it's a lot of money to lose, they just got done begging us to buy cash shop items or sub costs would be considered for increase while putting a sale on the mog station. lol
    Even 30k is too much. Those who will truly leave are far fewer than that. Most that will want to continue will simply do what was done before Mare existed : take more time to set up, that's all.
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    Last edited by Zackneifein; 08-31-2025 at 02:04 AM.

  6. #105
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahnha View Post
    good riddence to more than 270k players that's more than 3 million usd square stands to lose
    you may be willing to pay 25+ a month to get rid of the add on users but I am sure a lot of us less needlessly spiteful players are not.
    14 is not even worth 15 usd a month at this point, an anti cheat would likely cause performance issues awful take.

    this guy is a prime example of why viera hats were a mistake.
    Lmao, bro went full "Won't someone think of the multibillion yen company!"
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  7. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahnha View Post
    more than 270k was the figure the plug in dev gave in the interview then note it was just one plug in we don't know how many people use other stuffs.

    The person i was replying to wanted all of those people off the game which is a poor take.

    I'm gonna keep saying it; a better take and action on square's part would have been to give personal accountability to people that were belligerent TOS breakers like the guy that got banned for using ACT on stream back in 2019 you don't see people using it anymore but they still claim to use it same thing for the ERP club mare advertisements in shout chat banning these people or at least punishing them would have cut down on a lot of nonsense and it would have padded them from the fallout of just axing the plug in out of the blue.

    Yeah maybe not the full 270k will leave but square doesn't want even 30k it's a lot of money to lose, they just got done begging us to buy cash shop items or sub costs would be considered for increase while putting a sale on the mog station. lol

    they're already bleeding subs and they are acting hungry because of it.

    You better believe to them it is all about money share holders don't care about laws they don't care about how you feel what is right what is wrong, that we had a discussion of what they should do or shouldn't all they care about and in extension square is; are profits this week, better than last week's? If they are down the share holders are mad and square is not happy with that. It's why they C&D'd mare and why they came out with this weak "we understand and won't chase you over modding letter" after the fact, because yes Balmung is easier to get into those people that spent the at least the last 2 years? (Idk about plug ins well) sharing their charas are not as interested in RP w/o being able to do so charas to one another and in the end Square allowed this to grow to that point to begin with.
    30k a month is less than one persons yearly paycheck. They can stand to lose that. Japanese game devs would be paid enough yen to translate to 50-80k USD a year.

    But go off, tell us more of what you know~!
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    If playing WoW for years taught me anything it is it takes a lot to fully kill something like this and money can be easily recovered with highly desirable shop additions. I imagine you could probably recoup the loss from anyone who unsubscribed over Mare by adding highly wanted NPC outfits/hairstyles like Yotsuyu/Gaius/Zenos and just having more shop wide sales in general.
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  9. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost View Post
    30k a month is less than one persons yearly paycheck. They can stand to lose that. Japanese game devs would be paid enough yen to translate to 50-80k USD a year.

    But go off, tell us more of what you know~!
    bro you making about 450k USD a month or 5.4 Million USD a yea( this is for the standard)? I didn't think so. even then @ 9.99 USD that about 300 USD a month. or 3.5 million USD. Thats a no frills account no extra retainers, no mogstore shopping. thats not a laughable number either. thats a chunk of money if 30k players up and left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsMisato View Post
    bro you making about 450k USD a month or 5.4 Million USD a yea( this is for the standard)? I didn't think so. even then @ 9.99 USD that about 300 USD a month. or 3.5 million USD. Thats a no frills account no extra retainers, no mogstore shopping. thats not a laughable number either. thats a chunk of money if 30k players up and left.
    That is incorrect lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost View Post
    30k a month is less than one persons yearly paycheck. They can stand to lose that. Japanese game devs would be paid enough yen to translate to 50-80k USD a year.

    But go off, tell us more of what you know~!
    Tbth with you IK nothing about the logistics but I do know they do not want to lose subscribers 270k players were using the plug in that's paying square at least 2.9 million if just a small fraction of that broke off because of lack of plugs square would hate that, personally I want square to do well and I want the game to be healthy it is my favorite mmo after all.

    I'd also like to point out that the viera that was talking silly removed his hat, those hats were still a mistake you're on fraud watch pal.
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