Official Statement: Regarding Mod Usage and Culture

[Crafoutis]

they are not thinking with their head I fear, or we wouldn't be here



You aren't wrong. You really think the freaks would let slip away their sacred g0.0ner paradise parade? They would be better off touching grass for now, and the community to avoid whatever replacement mods are released atm. Or SE is forced to make modding harder - hurray, even less content.

I hoped in the past SE would go the way of WoW, and create a guideline for mods - at least from ethical standpoint, the user will still be responsible for what they use.
But once you give the community some rules, I feel they are more likely to respect them, than something vague they cant fully grasp.

Example of what Blizzard did once

I'm an advocate of an accelerationist stance:

I want modding to get so bad that Squeenix is forced to implement a kernel-level anti-cheat and completely obliterate any and all mods.

[Commander_Justitia]

I'm an advocate of an accelerationist stance:

I want modding to get so bad that Squeenix is forced to implement a kernel-level anti-cheat and completely obliterate any and all mods.

After they tried to invent their own cryptographic methods for blacklist, and general JP stoneage in IT security, I rather not let them make spyware. xD But they can make it hard to mod and waste a lot of peoples time. Which would make modding like work. And then we are in a loss loss situation.

[Crafoutis]

The United States is particularly inept with ESRB ratings. Even the European and Asian ratings for FFXIV start at 15+.

You know what else the United States is bad with? Their players not heeding the wishes of the creator of the game and minding propriety, betraying the social contract put forward by the devs.

[Swordsman]

You know what else the United States is bad with? Their players not heeding the wishes of the creator of the game and minding propriety, betraying the social contract put forward by the devs.

Yup, no argument from me on that. Like others have said, modders did it to themselves.

[RedLolly]

The rule was "Keep it to yourself."

That was still too hard for people to follow and it was overwhelmingly because of porn or thirst-traps.

[Crafoutis]

I say good riddance and let them all leave, this space, like any space, is only made better by their absence.

[Kahnha]

I say good riddance and let them all leave, this space, like any space, is only made better by their absence.

good riddence to more than 270k players that's more than 3 million usd square stands to lose
you may be willing to pay 25+ a month to get rid of the add on users but I am sure a lot of us less needlessly spiteful players are not.
14 is not even worth 15 usd a month at this point, an anti cheat would likely cause performance issues awful take.

this guy is a prime example of why viera hats were a mistake.

[Zackneifein]

good riddence to more than 270k players that's more than 3 million usd square stands to lose
you may be willing to pay 25+ a month to get rid of the add on users but I am sure a lot of us less needlessly spiteful players are not.
14 is not even worth 15 usd a month at this point, an anti cheat would likely cause performance issues awful take.

this guy is a prime example of why viera hats were a mistake.

In no way in hell all the users of Mare will stop playing. The vast majority won't and will continue only in the client side, like before. It's even certain that the "270k" have many that don't truly used Mare.

And I'm quite amused by all those who say "it's all about money".
So you mean that a company is running a game whose economy is based on : a subscription and a virtual store will act when one of those two sources of is endangered by mods ? They aren't running a charity ?

*surprise pikachu face*

You also all know, I'm sure, that in many countries, using mods to use paid, and therefore licensed virtual content is simply theft ?

It's a great statement from Yoshida that is telling basically : what is the fight club that everybody is talking about ? There should not be a fight club, *wink wink wink*, as it should be.

[Kahnha]

In no way in hell all the users of Mare will stop playing. The vast majority won't and will continue only in the client side, like before. It's even certain that the "270k" have many that don't truly used Mare.

And I'm quite amused by all those who say "it's all about money".
So you mean that a company is running a game whose economy is based on : a subscription and a virtual store will act when one of those two sources of is endangered by mods ? They aren't running a charity ?



*surprise pikachu face*

You also all know, I'm sure, that in many countries, using mods to use paid, and therefore licensed virtual content is simply theft ?

It's a great statement from Yoshida that is telling basically : what is the fight club that everybody is talking about ? There should not be a fight club, *wink wink wink*, as it should be.

more than 270k was the figure the plug in dev gave in the interview then note it was just one plug in we don't know how many people use other stuffs.

The person i was replying to wanted all of those people off the game which is a poor take.

I'm gonna keep saying it; a better take and action on square's part would have been to give personal accountability to people that were belligerent TOS breakers like the guy that got banned for using ACT on stream back in 2019 you don't see people using it anymore but they still claim to use it same thing for the ERP club mare advertisements in shout chat banning these people or at least punishing them would have cut down on a lot of nonsense and it would have padded them from the fallout of just axing the plug in out of the blue.

Yeah maybe not the full 270k will leave but square doesn't want even 30k it's a lot of money to lose, they just got done begging us to buy cash shop items or sub costs would be considered for increase while putting a sale on the mog station. lol

they're already bleeding subs and they are acting hungry because of it.

You better believe to them it is all about money share holders don't care about laws they don't care about how you feel what is right what is wrong, that we had a discussion of what they should do or shouldn't all they care about and in extension square is; are profits this week, better than last week's? If they are down the share holders are mad and square is not happy with that. It's why they C&D'd mare and why they came out with this weak "we understand and won't chase you over modding letter" after the fact, because yes Balmung is easier to get into those people that spent the at least the last 2 years? (Idk about plug ins well) sharing their charas are not as interested in RP w/o being able to do so charas to one another and in the end Square allowed this to grow to that point to begin with.

[Zackneifein]

I'm gonna keep saying it; a better take and action on square's part would have been to give personal accountability to people that were belligerent TOS breakers like the guy that got banned for using ACT on stream back in 2019 you don't see people using it anymore but they still claim to use it same thing for the ERP club mare advertisements in shout chat banning these people or at least punishing them would have cut down on a lot of nonsense and it would have padded them from the fallout of just axing the plug in out of the blue.

Do you realize how impossible it is ? It's extremely hard to prove the use of Mare. It would require a lot of time, investigations and peoples (and so money) to even slightly have an impact. And when advertising in Limsa would become too dangerous, they would simply rely on forums & discords. Removing Mare solve the problem entirely.

And you don't take into consideration two things that is said, and that is of implacable logic :
- Like it or not, allowing other players to see mog station stuff or difficult content gear is breaking the game mechanics and economy, why pay something you can have for free ? Why bother doing hard-content in a game where stats barely matter and glamour is all there is at the end ? What about those who already paid for this content ?
- You didn't even take into consideration what he said about other countries legislation going more and more strict. The day FFXIV is banned from a country or become 18+ killing it effectively, they will lose much more money and potential money that closing Mare will ever do. And players from those countires will only have their eyes to cry. If he talked about it, it's more that likely the legal departement of Square Enix warned them that it was a possibility to prevent at all cost.

Yeah maybe not the full 270k will leave but square doesn't want even 30k it's a lot of money to lose, they just got done begging us to buy cash shop items or sub costs would be considered for increase while putting a sale on the mog station. lol

Even 30k is too much. Those who will truly leave are far fewer than that. Most that will want to continue will simply do what was done before Mare existed : take more time to set up, that's all.