Request: Implement ACT in game

[Kirutsuki]

As a semi casual raider I wouldn't mind letting tryhards know their DPS's.
Even if it means people will start to police who isn't doing their rotation.

You could have it in the PF Recruitment Criteria as a check mark for "enable ACT"
This way people who join the party know what they are in for.

you can still do ACT disabled if you want a more natural experience with less of a chance to get harassed when you skip a raidwide cause you had to take a sip of your morning coffee.

[brinn12]

FFXIV's main streamer used it for years, and often repeats on stream he never got banned for it. I don't know why SE are so reluctant to add it. They could just turn it off for casual content, but the moment serious DPS checks are in the game, people need a reliable tool to judge their performance.

[TaleraRistain]

No thank you. Tools are already used in endgame content and SE knows they are used but they turn a blind eye so long as other players are not harassed using them. When that does happen, they can come down hard because these tools are against the ToS. If they implemented anything in-game, they dilute their ability to take action against these tools being used against other players. I don't find it likely they will want to upset the careful balance and grey area that exists now.

[RedLolly]

Baseline, since the community knows dev's use this 3rd party sanctioned mod.

Yes, the developers that literally have the math formulas and debug tools use a add-on built by a few gamers that want to record the ingame battle log the devs built.


Do... Do you guys hear yourselves? Like really. I know game dev is like a cosmic magic but guys. Please.


And no. No thanks. Really would benefit from a better system in Stone Sea Sky but ACT as is? Nah.

[Nakiami]

Baseline, since the community knows dev's use this 3rd party sanctioned mod.

Either ARR or Heavensward Yoshi-P already adressed not allowing in game parsers. He didn't want players harassing other players over lower dps.

[Kirutsuki]

No thank you. Tools are already used in endgame content and SE knows they are used but they turn a blind eye so long as other players are not harassed using them. When that does happen, they can come down hard because these tools are against the ToS. If they implemented anything in-game, they dilute their ability to take action against these tools being used against other players. I don't find it likely they will want to upset the careful balance and grey area that exists now.

Just cause you add a 3rd party tool in the game doesn't make it impossible for them to act on harassment.
The two aren't mutually inclusive. Harassment is harassment with or without tools being the reason.

Only thing that would change is them getting more false reports on mild verbal exchange about rotation or something.

In fact I would argue that they have actually MORE control to ban a player for harassing someone about their DPS than they do now.
Since they generally have to proove someone is actually using a tool to harass in the first place. Wouldn't you say so?

[JadeCurtiss]

Either ARR or Heavensward Yoshi-P already adressed not allowing in game parsers. He didn't want players harassing other players over lower dps.

This. If you implement a parser officially, people will ask to see it when doing content. You think PF is bad now? Try getting asked to fork over your numbers when joining a mount farm party.

[LilimoLimomo]

On 2020/02/06, Yoshi-P went on record saying that they will never implement anything akin to a damage calculator because it would result in bullying.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_i6mjiGerU

[RedLolly]

On 2020/02/06, Yoshi-P went on record saying that they will never implement anything akin to a damage calculator because it would result in bullying.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_i6mjiGerU

"It shouldn't be that hard to understand," he says after explaining it's a minefield for potential harassment.

There it is.

[TaleraRistain]

Just cause you add a 3rd party tool in the game doesn't make it impossible for them to act on harassment.
The two aren't mutually inclusive. Harassment is harassment with or without tools being the reason.

Only thing that would change is them getting more false reports on mild verbal exchange about rotation or something.

In fact I would argue that they have actually MORE control to ban a player for harassing someone about their DPS than they do now.
Since they generally have to proove someone is actually using a tool to harass in the first place. Wouldn't you say so?

It doesn't make it impossible but it weakens their stance. Right now they can say "no third party tools". When they start blurring the line or having to define what is allowed and what is not, then you're going to get rules lawyers constantly trying to push the lines. This is a much simpler solution.