So SE has officially stated their MMO profits have tanked.

[Absurdity]

What is this?? Why is DPS a glorified Autoattacker?????? 454 auto attacks are also the second most DPS? What is this blasphemy?
Where is the manager? I want to have a word with them!!! Yoshi-p????

Except those two are not equivalent.

Auto attacks, as their name implies, happen automatically. There is no input or even thought from the player required for them to happen.

Glare is a filler spell that requires the conscious choice by a player to press. Which means that someone has looked at what is happening in the fight, weighted their available options and decided the filler spell was the most optimal choice at the time.
Having that many conscious Glare presses in a fight means there was nothing better to do for a majority of the time.


Could you argue that auto attacks have too much weight on your DPS output for something that just happens in it's own and requires 0 player input? Absolutely.
But that is not the same as the filler DPS spell being the most actively used ability on a healer for any given fight.

[All_Nonsense]

Ah. Yes. FFlogs. The thing SE doesn't like.

Linked right onto their forums.

Brilliant.

What, do you think Yoshi P and the crew have some magical esoteric data gathering tool that they use to gather mass player combat data? Yeah right. I guarantee you that they rely heavily on fflogs for a LOT of data used for class balancing and rotation adjustments. Why bog down the system with shitty tools built in their equally shitty engine when you have an entire service gathering and organizing that data for you, for free? If they actually didn't like it, SE would have sent a cease and desist a long time ago, but they haven't, same with the mod stuff, the same mod stuff that when sufficiently popular gets added as a native feature in the game. Interesting...

[Hausti]

At this point it almost feels like Square made the 7.x story intentionally bad just so they could gain more profit from people buying the story skip once 8.0 launches.

[MisterNublet]

What is this?? Why is DPS a glorified Autoattacker?????? 454 auto attacks are also the second most DPS? What is this blasphemy?
Where is the manager? I want to have a word with them!!! Yoshi-p????

Nobody is attacking anyone. What are you even talking about?

He most likely used a random clear, of a random person, to make a point which in actuality makes no sense. Like I said before, no wonder nobody takes forums seriously when this is the rhetoric most prevalent and the main reasoning why healers apparently need to be changed.

It's obvious you know very little about healers and this game for that matter based on your replies.

[BlisteringFrost]

What, do you think Yoshi P and the crew have some magical esoteric data gathering tool that they use to gather mass player combat data? Yeah right. I guarantee you that they rely heavily on fflogs for a LOT of data used for class balancing and rotation adjustments. Why bog down the system with shitty tools built in their equally shitty engine when you have an entire service gathering and organizing that data for you, for free? If they actually didn't like it, SE would have sent a cease and desist a long time ago, but they haven't, same with the mod stuff, the same mod stuff that when sufficiently popular gets added as a native feature in the game. Interesting...

Not liking it and wanting to do anything about it is two very, VERY different things.

But beyond this I can't be bothered to humor anything else you're saying because you needed the first sentence pointed out to you to begin with.

[Basteala]

The quality is mostly the same as it was in EW and SHB. The reality is what happened was mass disillusionment.

Uhmm....

No? How do I even begin to dispute this when your taste is that nonexistent?

[MsMisato]

What, do you think Yoshi P and the crew have some magical esoteric data gathering tool that they use to gather mass player combat data? Yeah right. I guarantee you that they rely heavily on fflogs for a LOT of data used for class balancing and rotation adjustments. Why bog down the system with shitty tools built in their equally shitty engine when you have an entire service gathering and organizing that data for you, for free? If they actually didn't like it, SE would have sent a cease and desist a long time ago, but they haven't, same with the mod stuff, the same mod stuff that when sufficiently popular gets added as a native feature in the game. Interesting...

They don't even need to go FFLogs to get the data. The data is there already there for them its always been there plain as day. jfc what are you 12.... the only difference is it the users upload other users data they party with without other users consent to that website that the difference whereas CBU3 can just grab the data from their back end plain and simple they don't need to visit that damn website.

[Exmo]

I love how it's normal when it's FFLogs but it's magical and esoteric when it's a built-in devtool

[Kohashi]

What, do you think Yoshi P and the crew have some magical esoteric data gathering tool that they use to gather mass player combat data? Yeah right. I guarantee you that they rely heavily on fflogs for a LOT of data used for class balancing and rotation adjustments. Why bog down the system with shitty tools built in their equally shitty engine when you have an entire service gathering and organizing that data for you, for free? If they actually didn't like it, SE would have sent a cease and desist a long time ago, but they haven't, same with the mod stuff, the same mod stuff that when sufficiently popular gets added as a native feature in the game. Interesting...

I don't know why I find this to be extremely funny..hahah.

Granted that their Devs do seem to be lacking quite a bit (you can see how they solved the stalker plugin), it doesn't mean they are that bad. I can guarantee you they have an even more advanced tool than FFlogs to design and balance the fight. If you played long enough, especially engaged with hard content, you will understand that often fights are engineered down to each class GCD/oGCD.

Now time to take down that tin foil hat of yours.

Except those two are not equivalent.

Auto attacks, as their name implies, happen automatically. There is no input or even thought from the player required for them to happen.

Glare is a filler spell that requires the conscious choice by a player to press. Which means that someone has looked at what is happening in the fight, weighted their available options and decided the filler spell was the most optimal choice at the time.
Having that many conscious Glare presses in a fight means there was nothing better to do for a majority of the time.


Could you argue that auto attacks have too much weight on your DPS output for something that just happens in it's own and requires 0 player input? Absolutely.
But that is not the same as the filler DPS spell being the most actively used ability on a healer for any given fight.

Let me humor you for a bit and explain to you my joke. My pick of the class was absolutely not random. I specifically picked Monk because they are one of the classes that heavily rely on their auto attacks to keep their damage high via Riddle of the Wind. It's built into their class design, and it was a sarcastic comment to the original OP.

Now, at the end of the day, it matters very little if you press glare or if you have a full damage rotation. The discourse of saying I pressed X times glare while disregarding everything else, is reductive, just for the sake of being disingenuous and whiny and nothing more.

[Absurdity]

Let me humor you for a bit and explain to you my joke. My pick of the class was absolutely not random. I specifically picked Monk because they are one of the classes that heavily rely on their auto attacks to keep their damage high via Riddle of the Wind. It's built into their class design, and it was a sarcastic comment to the original OP.

Now, at the end of the day, it matters very little if you press glare or if you have a full damage rotation. The discourse of saying I pressed X times glare while disregarding everything else, is reductive, just for the sake of being disingenuous and whiny and nothing more.

The joke still falls flat because you seemingly ignored what the log actually says.

It is not "how many Glare casts did the WHM do?" but "how many Glare casts in relation to literally everything else in it's kit did the WHM do?". It is not disregarding everything else, it clearly shows everything else right there.
It isn't looking at Glare in a Vacuum, it is taking up 40-50% of all ability uses throughout the fight, that's the entire issue here.

I'm pretty sure if Monk players had 40-50% of their ability uses in a fight just be Dragon Kick they wouldn't be happy about it.

And your choice of Monk might as well have been random, because both Viper and Dragoon have auto attacks as their 2nd highest DPS source as well, it is not a Monk exclusive feature.

Which leads us to another thing, your log of the monk is looking at damage done, not casts, that's why auto attacks even show up in the first place.
If we look at the actual casts then Monk, Dragoon and Samurai all only reach 13% at most of pressing the same ability in relation to the rest of their kit.