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    It's a valid complaint and I hope that people would respect that OP is wishing for more options to express a masculine character. Adding more options does not take away from the feminine. Let us be cooperative in this matter, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yesnt View Post
    express a masculine character. Adding more options does not take away from the feminine. Let us be cooperative in this matter, please.
    masuline like these guy or nah? which arbitrary time period are we going with as the normative standard for "masculine clothes."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryson View Post
    masuline like these guy or nah? which arbitrary time period are we going with as the normative standard for "masculine clothes."

    Can you specify which glamours you're referring to that apply to this example?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yesnt View Post
    Can you specify which glamours you're referring to that apply to this example?
    huh? i'm not the one saying clothing is gendered though?
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    Last edited by Bryson; 08-07-2025 at 09:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryson View Post
    huh? i'm not the one saying clothing ought be gendered though?
    I am failing to understand what you are trying to tell me with this picture. What are you saying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yesnt View Post
    I am failing to understand what you are trying to tell me with this picture. What are you saying?
    oof you're not too bright. i'll spell it out.

    "dresses,robes, literally anything of cloth (depending how reductive the person's argument is) are often a go to example of "feminine clothing" despite the fact that historically, clothing disproportinately associated with a gender in one time period, has been worn by other genders in another time period. It's almost as if, clothing isn't gendered to begin with.
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    Last edited by Bryson; 08-07-2025 at 09:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryson View Post
    oof you're not too bright. i'll spell it out.

    "dresses,robes, literally anything of cloth (depending how reductive the person's argument is) are often a go to example of "feminine clothing" despite the fact that historically, clothing disproportinately associated with a gender in one time period, has been associated with another gender in another time period. It's almost as if, clothing isn't gendered to begin with. If you feel otherwise, i'm all ears as to what "masculine" clothing looks like
    Well, let me phrase it like this, if you have a decent pair of tits, a small waist or wide hips and ever tried to wear a shirt or pants crafted for the male body, you would understand that there is indeed such a thing as clothing tailored for male or female bodies.

    However, we are not talking about real life. If you take a close look at the fashion in the game, it is obvious that some pieces were modeled on female characters and then adjusted to fit the male character model. The result is usually sloppy fitting, resulting in gigantic sleeves or unusually wide pants.

    Since you chose to play Lalafell, this doesn't affect you at all and it is natural that you can not understand the issue. So, perhaps do not engage in topics that are neither relevant nor aware to you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryson View Post
    oof you're not too bright. i'll spell it out.

    "dresses,robes, literally anything of cloth (depending how reductive the person's argument is) are often a go to example of "feminine clothing" despite the fact that historically, clothing disproportinately associated with a gender in one time period, has been worn by other genders in another time period. It's almost as if, clothing isn't gendered to begin with.
    It changes over time and the OP is stating about our time and the clothes we associate with what genders in our time, not the past, not the future, our time now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryson View Post
    oof you're not too bright. i'll spell it out.

    "dresses,robes, literally anything of cloth (depending how reductive the person's argument is) are often a go to example of "feminine clothing" despite the fact that historically, clothing disproportinately associated with a gender in one time period, has been worn by other genders in another time period. It's almost as if, clothing isn't gendered to begin with.
    Grow up Bryson and do better. Insulting people isn’t necessary.
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    Last edited by PaulH; 08-08-2025 at 02:07 AM. Reason: typo

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    What it sounds like you are asking for is either that all gear be something you deem masculine or for them to make two of every set one for boys and one for girls.

    I mean no matter what there will be gear that you dislike, regardless of gender, so it's really not a problem they can solve.
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