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    A Garlemad expansion planned at one point but they never did it. And this is all I am adding to the topic, I am done with EW talk and have been.
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    For combat balance, we assign each job a difficulty level and adjust its power accordingly. If a suggestion makes high-difficulty jobs too easy (e.g. 60 points worth of skills nets you 80 points of DPS), we aren’t not going to take the advices. But suggestions that maintain difficulty of the job while making gameplay more fun or fluid are welcome.

    I always remind my team that our players paid money and time to play your game and some of them even give you great advices. That our team should always treat our players as partners for development and not to reject good ideas out of developer pride. If an advice makes the game better, it will be fine to fully adopt everything.
    Gotta give Yoshi-P one thing, utterly mediocre as a developer and producer, but he's amazing when it comes to spinning PR bullsh*t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yesnt View Post
    Instead of expanding the story meaningfully, they recycle plotlines from other Final Fantasy games,
    they have done this from jump. You just used to like it
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    I cannot believe we were going to get a proper garlean expansion and it was cut because *looks at notes* the game was received too well? Nobody involved in making that decision is worth their salary
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    Quote Originally Posted by Villa101 View Post
    they have done this from jump. You just used to like it
    Because they did it in a meaningful way which my statement implies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velthice View Post
    I cannot believe we were going to get a proper garlean expansion and it was cut because *looks at notes* the game was received too well? Nobody involved in making that decision is worth their salary
    I guess the game will have to do like ass financially for us to get anything good and for them to take their time with their storylines and treat them with care
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    yoshida talks about 'high difficulty jobs'.... seriously? wtf
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    without fun jobs none of the content is fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidorouge View Post
    I know I wouldn't have cared for a "sympathetic" Garlemald expansion, not after they spent ARR through Stormblood playing them up as a bunch of warmongering and genocidal mass-rapists, would have felt like a whole lot of apologist and eye-rolling nonsense and I would have been skipping cutscenes left and right to get out of there already. (Much akin to how some people just skipped straight through Dawntrail.)
    For real tho. An entire expansion on Garlemald? That was the sloggiest part of Endwalker lmfao I'm pretty glad we got in, got out, and got on with it. The empire destroyed itself before we could do anything or learn anything meaningful from it. Leadership had already fractured and mostly died in battle. We learned what we could from the survivors who didn't suicide themselves and then we left them to deal with their own problems like they wanted to. Yeah, it was a tragedy, many things in this world are. But many things can't be stopped or remedied, and Garlemald was so far beyond saving that by the time we got to it, it was fitting that it was beyond repairing too. Living and dying by the sword as it were.

    Now the people who made up the empire, the installments and fortifications all over? I wouldn't mind learning about those people a bit and what they did after they learned that the empire had fallen. No governance and no more supplies coming, all on their own? What kinds of paths would those people take? Some would assimilate locally, maybe even using their military prowess to protect the small settlements from local threats (heroic emergence), maybe some would subjugate the local populations and have to be excised (malevolent emergence). Some might just become their own little settlements, become self-sufficient, try to live a peaceful life (peaceful coexistence). Some might collapse completely because they didn't have the knowledge or resources to survive and everyone died (tragic emergence). It goes on. And, get this, you can add a new variable to each of these wherein the writer asks themselves "how would the locals respond?" Perhaps some would rebel or otherwise admonish the stranded Garlean installments. Some would be accepting and loving. Some would leave them to starve or to suffer. Again, it goes on. So much potential. So much waste.

    Almost like it could have been a side quest series, even...perhaps one with trials? Crazy idea, who would ever do that

    And instead? Wuk Lamat :C
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    Quote Originally Posted by yesnt;6729102[QUOTE
    ]they recycle plotlines from other Final Fantasy games
    I'm convinced people that say this haven't actually played other Final Fantasy games. They recycle characters. And even then, they are almost never presented in the same way as they were in their original games.

    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I feel like people overestimate how much people would have wanted a “sympathetic garlean” expansion.
    I know I didn't. They were a brutally totalitarian regime who only stopped oppressing others to wage civil war among themselves and their purpose was to make the word a worse place to be so the genocide wizards could create catastrophes that ended with the total extinction of other worlds. And as we've seen in Endwalker, they are so brainwashed they'd rather die that accept help, with the "sympathetic" general we do see willing to send his soldiers on a suicide mission where he expected them to all be slaughtered.

    There is nothing sympathetic about them, since in the text, their sole existence was to be an instrument of misery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreadCrow View Post
    I know I didn't. They were a brutally totalitarian regime who only stopped oppressing others to wage civil war among themselves and their purpose was to make the word a worse place to be so the genocide wizards could create catastrophes that ended with the total extinction of other worlds. And as we've seen in Endwalker, they are so brainwashed they'd rather die that accept help, with the "sympathetic" general we do see willing to send his soldiers on a suicide mission where he expected them to all be slaughtered.

    There is nothing sympathetic about them, since in the text, their sole existence was to be an instrument of misery.
    This, a hundred times. From the start the Garlean Empire was nothing but a boring clone of the Star Wars Empire. Nameless grunts cannot find their own bum with two hands in the dark, while every guy with a name is a complete psychopath. Only difference: When you talk to the named guys, suddenly it's all about "helping the greater good". They couldn't even admit that they just enjoy kicking other people's faces in the dirt. Highlight was the parley with the Emperor himself: "Hey Scions, I heard you also got problems with the Ascians? So lookie, I found the perfect plan: we will just do everything they ask from us. That'll teach them!" It's never a good plot twist when the leader of your enemies turns out to have the IQ of a potatoe.

    Getting rid of the empire off-screen was the best they could do. I loved ShadowBringers, but everytime the screen got black and the subtitle said "Meanwhile in Garlemald" I rolled my eyes so hard, I just couldn't stand this annoying, arrogant, agressive lot any more. Well, until they turned into an annoying, arrogant, whiny lot... where I could stand them even less. If my WoL had anything to say in the story, they might be inclined to get themselves some Allagan spaceship, and nuke the Garlemald remains from orbit.

    /rant over
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